NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 hours ago, reddevil said: 4 QBs are going top 10 I’d reckon. Minn and Giants to compete for the 4th. I don’t think the Giants go with Nix or Penix if they miss out - but Denver will go for Nix if he’s there at 12 imo. I think we’ll have to get ahead of Den if we want Nix and if we don’t go Nix, it will be a big gamble to see if Penix will last long enough for us to take him late first or in the 2nd. QB value is always super inflated in the pre-draft process. Williams/Daniels/Maye will be the first 3 picks McCarthy will go top 10 to a team that trades up Nix will go in the 1st either to us or Denver at 12/13 or to someone that trades up to get him Penix will go in the 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: Cool story bro. Now care to define prospect like I asked? Is a 2x MVP QB not an MVP caliber player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 6 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Wilkins by himself makes it not a failure. Unless Wilkins is going to play QB you're wasting another prime year for all of our top end talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 40 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: We say this every year, and every year we're proven wrong. QBs are more likely to fall based on their pre-draft projections than get overdrafted (see Levis, Willis, Ridder, Lock, Lamar Jackson, DeShone Kizer, Geno Smith, Rodgers, Connor Cook). Lock Ridder and Connor cook we're not considered first rounders. Levis was supposed to go high but then questions about his character came out right before the draft. The year Geno Smith was picked no one was considered a first round quarterback. I can't remember honestly where DeSean Kaiser was supposed to go supposedly. rogers wore flip-flops and scared the other GM's off because I thought you didn't care enough about football. I think Lamar Jackson because at the time a player with his skills that was unprecedented(remember he wasnt a passer back then) ^Now with that being, said don't get me wrong: Overall I'm not one of those guys no does the whole what does the "consensus" think. The reality is we don't have a Long term quarterback option. There's a guy that I think could be that long-term option at quarterback I'm not going to look at mock drafts and what I hear that other teams think to set my draft board. I'm gonna get that guy. This is the quarterback position we're talking about. ^Now that said, the only thing that would really deter me personally is the fact that this is one of those years that if you need a tackle you better go get one. The most ideal scenario in my opinion would be to somehow find a way to get Penix and one of those high-end OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: My thing is I understand what the problem is with doing this but I would actually take Penix at 13 just due to the fact that you know quarterbacks are gonna get overdrafted and it's a dangerous game thinking he's gonna go all the way to the second round. To me the only problem with taking him at 13 is just the fact that this is one of the best offensive tackle drafts I've seen in my lifetime. Blake Fisher at #77 is significantly better value then taking a LT at #13 and moving them to RT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, NYRaider said: Blake Fisher at #77 is significantly better value then taking a LT at #13 and moving them to RT. Personally, I don't even want to do the whole LT and move them to RT thing. I would like to draft an RT like Fauga Latham or Mims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Unless Wilkins is going to play QB you're wasting another prime year for all of our top end talent. Ain't no rookie going to come in here and be lights out anyway. AO4 with all his limitations was probably the 2nd best Rookie QB last year. So give me Fields, Minshew and AO4 to battle it out with a strong defense. Fields still has the highest upside of all of them. Edited March 15 by raidr4life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, raidr4life said: Ain't no rookie going to come in here and be lights out anyway. AO4 with all his limitations was probably the 2nd best Rookie QB last year. So give me Fields, Minshew and AO4 to battle it out with a strong defense. Shoot I have no problem with getting an OT and trading for fields because I know we'll move the ball with the weapons we have if the Oline is better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Personally, I don't even want to do the whole LT and move them to RT thing. I would like to draft an RT like Fauga Latham or Mims. Mims having less than 1,000 career snaps doesn't worry you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, raidr4life said: Ain't no rookie going to come in here and be lights out anyway. AO4 with all his limitations was probably the 2nd best Rookie QB last year. So give me Fields, Minshew and AO4 to battle it out with a strong defense. Fields still has the highest upside of all of them. And you know this how? AOC was god awful outside of the Chargers game and Fields is one of the worst passers in the league. You're punting next season without a legit QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Mims having less than 1,000 career snaps doesn't worry you? Fuaga and Latham more than Mims lol Edited March 15 by Jeremy408 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Imagine thinking Fields or Minshew should be our starting QB in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Fuaga and Latham more than Mims lol I just think RT at #13 when you have no QB and no #1 CB is bad value. You can find a quality RT late in the draft, your odds on hitting on an elite CB or QB late are slim to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Imagine thinking Fields or Minshew should be our starting QB in 2024. Imagine thinking jimmygoat was gonna be good for us....lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Fwiw, I definitely want Mitchell if it's not a qb at 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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