Jeremy408 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: The Senior Bowl is an All-Star game where they have a week to practice with completely random players and coaches. It doesn't simulate what NFL football will be like for any of these guys. Throwing a dart every year in the second round is a terrible strategy. You're supposed to be targeting guys you view as potential starters in the 2nd/3rd round. That's how you build depth and are able to pay your top tier level guys. The 49ers are good because they just blow second round picks? They're good because they draft well throughout the draft by not just blowing picks. 15/22 starters are guys that they drafted which has given them the flexibility to go out and get guys like CMC, Trent Williams, Hargrave, etc. And how many Super Bowls have they won with this current core? They understand that an elite QB is important which is why they gave up 3 FRPs to draft Trey Lance. Senior bowl week is a key pre-draft process where everybody's put in the same random circumstances regardless of where they came from to see if traits stand out, if any one player separates from the others & does what a player does at the senior bowl confirm or go against what was seen on previous film. That's why senior bowl usually leads to a prospects rising or falling in the draft. As far as the drafting a quarterback as high as possible regardless of what your draft position is versus building your football team, it depends on circumstances. If you are in the top five you probably should draft a quarterback if the prospects fit the bill. If you were outside of the top 10 it makes more sense to draft what will improve your roster as a whole. I think it's Nguyen teams trying to force a quarterback when one of that caliber is not where they are picking is how you end up with like the EJ Manuels of the world. Also picking a quarterback when your roster isn't very good can lead to the quarterback being in less than ideal circumstances which ultimately look and lead to their failure. This is why the bust rate for quarterbacks is so high. Overall, the proper strategy is simple. If the right quarterback is there you take them if not you improve your football team in other areas and then take a quarterback when the time is right. This is why this year, depending on the quarterback, we are looking more at a late first at best or early to mid second depending on the quarterback and situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Senior bowl week is a key pre-draft process where everybody's put in the same random circumstances regardless of where they came from to see if traits stand out, if any one player separates from the others & does what a player does at the senior bowl confirm or go against what was seen on previous film. That's why senior bowl usually leads to a prospects rising or falling in the draft. As far as the drafting a quarterback as high as possible regardless of what your draft position is versus building your football team, it depends on circumstances. If you are in the top five you probably should draft a quarterback if the prospects fit the bill. If you were outside of the top 10 it makes more sense to draft what will improve your roster as a whole. I think it's Nguyen teams trying to force a quarterback when one of that caliber is not where they are picking is how you end up with like the EJ Manuels of the world. Also picking a quarterback when your roster isn't very good can lead to the quarterback being in less than ideal circumstances which ultimately look and lead to their failure. This is why the bust rate for quarterbacks is so high. Overall, the proper strategy is simple. If the right quarterback is there you take them if not you improve your football team in other areas and then take a quarterback when the time is right. This is why this year, depending on the quarterback, we are looking more at a late first at best or early to mid second depending on the quarterback and situation. The Bills and Chiefs should’ve just stood pat instead of trading up to get their guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The Bills and Chiefs should’ve just stood pat instead of trading up to get their guys Perfect example of what I'm talking about. Both teams were good teams before they got the quarterback that they got. Allowing them to go into a situation that was better than they should've ended up based on who could've drafted them. Say the Browns or bears drafted Mahomes that year, how would his career have gone? Say Josh Allen goes to the Cardinals or Jets, how would his career have gone? There's reason to believe based on the bus rate that if these guys had gone to teams that don't have very good rosters they would not be very good players. And it's important to also note that we are we are picking there's nobody of that caliber to trade up for that isn't going to a team that is unwilling to trade. For example the Bears, commanders, and patriots are not going to trade unless the compensation is so astronomically high that we basically can't do anything for the next three years. That wouldn't make sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 23 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Perfect example of what I'm talking about. Both teams were good teams before they got the quarterback that they got. Allowing them to go into a situation that was better than they should've ended up based on who could've drafted them. Say the Browns or bears drafted Mahomes that year, how would his career have gone? Say Josh Allen goes to the Cardinals or Jets, how would his career have gone? There's reason to believe based on the bus rate that if these guys had gone to teams that don't have very good rosters they would not be very good players. And it's important to also note that we are we are picking there's nobody of that caliber to trade up for that isn't going to a team that is unwilling to trade. For example the Bears, commanders, and patriots are not going to trade unless the compensation is so astronomically high that we basically can't do anything for the next three years. That wouldn't make sense. The Raiders have a good defense and legit weapons, it’s time to get a QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Spencer Rattler: Good size? No, in the bottom 10th percentile Elite athlete? No, 4.01 RAS High end college production? No, 37 TD over 25 games at SC Big time NFL arm? No, led the country in interceptions on passes 20+ yards down field the last two seasons Coachable? No, failed under the QB guru before he got ran out of town at Oklahoma Leader? No, it's well document that he's a D-Bag High development potential? No, he'll be a 24 year old rookie that needs time to sit What’s your solution? It makes more sense to draft Rattler at #44 than to reach on a similarly skilled prospect in Nix and Pennix at #13. Take an elite OL, CB , Edge or WR. The first three selections are not moving off their picks. Chargers aren’t trading with us, Giants probably looking to move up or stand pat and take JJ. Vikings look in prime position to jump into the top 5 as well. I’m not too hot on trading multiple FRP to take the 4th to 6th QB best prospect. We are asking for disaster A QB competition between Minshew, AOC4 , Rattler makes sense. If none of them work, we still have our draft assets and cap room to get another QB next season. At least one of them could still be a bridge starter Edited March 17 by bucksavage1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The Raiders have a good defense and legit weapons, it’s time to get a QB The Oline needs improvement. Youre right about defense though. I dont see Corner as a first round need. we just need to pick up a vet. But RT is necessary in a draft that is one of the best that I've seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: The Oline needs improvement. Youre right about defense though. I dont see Corner as a first round need. we just need to pick up a vet. But RT is necessary in a draft that is one of the best that I've seen. We’re in position to grab a OL that would normally go top 7 because the QBs/WRs getting taken high in the draft . It is smart positional value. Its why teams like the Ravens are always good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, bucksavage1 said: We’re in position to grab a OL that would normally go top 7 because the QBs/WRs getting taken high in the draft . It is smart positional value. Its why teams like the Ravens are always good Exactly. And then for them what they did was they just kind of kept going like that until Lamar Jackson fell to them at the end of round one where he was able to come in not have to start right away and grow his game on a team that was already good. That matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydFan Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Drafting Rattler at 44 would make me vomit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 42 minutes ago, FloydFan said: Drafting Rattler at 44 would make me vomit You said it, I thought it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: What’s your solution? It makes more sense to draft Rattler at #44 than to reach on a similarly skilled prospect in Nix and Pennix at #13. Take an elite OL, CB , Edge or WR. The first three selections are not moving off their picks. Chargers aren’t trading with us, Giants probably looking to move up or stand pat and take JJ. Vikings look in prime position to jump into the top 5 as well. I’m not too hot on trading multiple FRP to take the 4th to 6th QB best prospect. We are asking for disaster A QB competition between Minshew, AOC4 , Rattler makes sense. If none of them work, we still have our draft assets and cap room to get another QB next season. At least one of them could still be a bridge starter Rattler will be there at #77 and possibly #112, he's not worth a second round pick, he's old and he sucked at South Carolina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: We’re in position to grab a OL that would normally go top 7 because the QBs/WRs getting taken high in the draft . It is smart positional value. Its why teams like the Ravens are always good I think having a 2x MVP QB plays a role in why they're so good, that's just me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: Exactly. And then for them what they did was they just kind of kept going like that until Lamar Jackson fell to them at the end of round one where he was able to come in not have to start right away and grow his game on a team that was already good. That matters. They traded back into the first round to take Lamar when they already had a franchise QB. They didn't go years in between having a legit QB to build around. They've also drafted like 4 OL in the first 3 rounds over the last decade, they didn't prioritize RT over a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: A QB competition between Minshew, AOC4 , Rattler makes sense. If none of them work, we still have our draft assets and cap room to get another QB next season. At least one of them could still be a bridge starter That sounds like a worst case scenario. So you just punt next season, which could very well be the last year we have Adams or Meyers, with the plan to be aggressive looking to add a QB next year? I thought AP was a goated coach and was going to turn the franchise around. If he's really that good why punt his first season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, FloydFan said: Drafting Rattler at 44 would make me vomit Bro said Nix / Penix at #13 was too big of a reach to justify then suggested we take Rattler 2 rounds earlier then he should go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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