Humble_Beast Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, massraider said: 95 mill guaranteed for 30 year old Jones? No thanks Lineman age better... That deal will be good. Jones is in his prime, and a special first ballot hall of fame player. Edited March 10 by Humble_Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 37 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He was fired more so because of his performance as the GM than at HC. Wrong Answer https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/bill-belichick-new-england-patriots-head-coach-nfl-robert-kraft-espn/ As for why Kraft felt the need to move on from Belichick, he said the recent results simply were not good enough. "What has gone on the last three to four years isn't what we want. We have the responsibility to do what we can to fix it to the best of our ability," said Kraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, agarcia34 said: The Justin Fields trade market is really interesting. I know at first you wouldn’t consider the Raiders with Getsy a spot for Fields but I think it has more of a shot at happening then the Raiders trading up into the top 3 maybe even top 6. Obviously the compensation won’t be as high as they expected. I think he will eventually get traded for a 4th that can turn into a 3rd round pick with certain conditions. Agreed. There’s no real market for him because teams know they basically have to trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Wrong Answer https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/bill-belichick-new-england-patriots-head-coach-nfl-robert-kraft-espn/ As for why Kraft felt the need to move on from Belichick, he said the recent results simply were not good enough. "What has gone on the last three to four years isn't what we want. We have the responsibility to do what we can to fix it to the best of our ability," said Kraft. And why weren’t the results good enough? Because Bill the GM has been terrible in the draft and free agency over the past few years. Which led to a bad team. But all of this is beside the point. The original argument has and still is, Russ sucks. And the fact that the team with the worst QB situation in the league with no way to move up for one met with him doesn’t change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Fletcher Cox just retired. Another DT off the market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: And why weren’t the results good enough? Because Bill the GM has been terrible in the draft and free agency over the past few years. Which led to a bad team. But all of this is beside the point. The original argument has and still is, Russ sucks. And the fact that the team with the worst QB situation in the league with no way to move up for one met with him doesn’t change that. If they win with Brady its because he's an he's the best coach ever if he cant win without Brady its because he's a bad GM(even though he was the GM when Brady was there) & thats why he got fired. And then no one else would hire him as a HC after. That makes a lot of sense now! In terms of Russell: 😂😂😂 Thats what I said in the beginning. If your team has a solid roster but no QB like the raiders or the steelers or the vikings do. You can bring Russell in on a a cheap deal and he can give you better QB play while you figure out the future through the draft but then it happens in a way where that quarterback doesn't have to play right away unless he's just that good as a rookie. Therefore it doesn't put you in as a diversion or somebody has to play that's not ready to play or just plain isn't good enough to start. We're seeing now that people would be interested in that idea. Its not complicated; its simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 11 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Fletcher Cox just retired. Another DT off the market The Good 3T DTs never hit the market. Its become a premium postion in the NFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: If they win with Brady its because he's an he's the best coach ever if he cant win without Brady its because he's a bad GM(even though he was the GM when Brady was there) & thats why he got fired. And then no one else would hire him as a HC after. That makes a lot of sense now! In terms of Russell: 😂😂😂 Thats what I said in the beginning. If your team has a solid roster but no QB like the raiders or the steelers or the vikings do. You can bring Russell in on a a cheap deal and he can give you better QB play while you figure out the future through the draft but then it happens in a way where that quarterback doesn't have to play right away unless he's just that good as a rookie. Therefore it doesn't put you in as a diversion or somebody has to play that's not ready to play or just plain isn't good enough to start. We're seeing now that people would be interested in that idea. Its not complicated; its simple. Why'd the Eagles fire Andy Reid? How many championships does he have without Mahomes? The roster building in New England has been terrible for the last few years and it caught up to them. To act like Bill isn't a great coach though is insane. No you said Russ is still capable of playing at a high level and played well last year, he had 26 TD, that's twice as many as AOC. The Broncos didn't eat $85M in dead cap because Wilson is still a high level NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: The Good 3T DTs never hit the market. Its become a premium postion in the NFL If a team has a great 3T , yes they always tend to resign them. Might be best to draft one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Just now, NYRaider said: Why'd the Eagles fire Andy Reid? How many championships does he have without Mahomes? The roster building in New England has been terrible for the last few years and it caught up to them. To act like Bill isn't a great coach though is insane. No you said Russ is still capable of playing at a high level and played well last year, he had 26 TD, that's twice as many as AOC. The Broncos didn't eat $85M in dead cap because Wilson is still a high level NFL QB. Oh because they are another one of those dumb franchises when it comes to HC hires(Remember the fired Doug Pederson too & replaced Andy Reid with chip Kelly who they let get rid of all of their star players). Andy Reid has had success & a super bowl appearance long before Mahomes. Immediately after being fired by the eagles he was hired by the Chiefs and had been a perennial playoff team before Mahomes. Belichick has had none of those & is still unemployed. Why is that? Right, the Broncos overpaid for Russell Wilson in terms of cap space & draft capital then trade a 1st rounder and pay big money for a coach who has only been success with one type of qb who is complete different then the guy they have. Then they get rid of him eating 85m in cap to make it happen. Then you you have a better team like the steelers(a historically better & more stable franchise) who have made the playoffs with 2 types of qbs who think Russell could be and upgrade & would only have to pay the vet minimum to get him so if their assumption is wrong they have nothing to lose. If theyre right they get an upgrade at qb(the most important position) for an already playoff team at a the vet minimum while they figure out their long term situation. Its pretty simple unless your trying prove a point thats not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 28 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: If a team has a great 3T , yes they always tend to resign them. Might be best to draft one I think you go with wilkins(or williams) still. but you make up for that by resigning a player like Amik for a cheap deal. If you do that you minimize needs for the draft for if you need to trade up. Because now you have this powerful Dline which makes up for a lot of defensive flaws. You also potentially re-sign Elumanor and both sign and draft a guard. I think it's really hard to get defensive tackle right in the draft it's why people don't let them go if they're really good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Just now, Jeremy408 said: Oh because they are another one of those dumb franchises when it comes to HC hires(Remember the fired Doug Pederson too & replaced Andy Reid with chip Kelly who they let get rid of all of their star players). Andy Reid has had success & a super bowl appearance long before Mahomes. Immediately after being fired by the eagles he was hired by the Chiefs and had been a perennial playoff team before Mahomes. Belichick has had none of those & is still unemployed. Why is that? Right, the Broncos overpaid for Russell Wilson in terms of cap space & draft capital then trade a 1st rounder and pay big money for a coach who has only been success with one type of qb who is complete different then the guy they have. Then they get rid of him eating 85m in cap to make it happen. Then you you have a better team like the steelers(a historically better & more stable franchise) who have made the playoffs with 2 types of qbs who think Russell could be and upgrade & would only have to pay the vet minimum to get him so if their assumption is wrong they have nothing to lose. If theyre right they get an upgrade at qb(the most important position) for an already playoff team at a the vet minimum while they figure out their long term situation. Its pretty simple unless your trying prove a point thats not there. Reid was fired by Philly and viewed as a good coach but someone that couldn’t get it done on the biggest stage before he was paired with the GOAT. Bill was on an NFL coaching staff for over 4 decades straight, with 6 Super Bowls, lol. You don’t eat the largest dead cap hit in NFL history and move into the offseason with no QB if you already have a high level QB in place, lol. Payton had Winston and Bridgewater balling in New Orleans. Wilson is just washed. The Steelers have made the playoff once without Big Ben on a flukey season. Just like the Patriots made it once with Mac Jones. Either way Russ is cooked and not capable of playing at a high level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: I think you go with wilkins(or williams) still. but you make up for that by resigning a player like Amik for a cheap deal. If you do that you minimize needs for the draft for if you need to trade up. Because now you have this powerful Dline which makes up for a lot of defensive flaws. You also potentially re-sign Elumanor and both sign and draft a guard. I think it's really hard to get defensive tackle right in the draft it's why people don't let them go if they're really good Really good players at any position very rarely hit free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, massraider said: Something close, and probably more, because he has simply proved it more. Apparently there are 7 teams preparing offers for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Chris Jones: 5 yr/$160M/$95M GTD I'd assume Wilkins gets something like 4 yr/$100M/$75M GTD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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