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Justin Reid is mentioned in this article about contract-year players who are likely to leave in 2025. They have this one right. Reid is Pro-Bowl level and will get paid elsewhere.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/5_players_who_are_likely_entering_their_final_season_with_the_kansas_city_chiefs/s1_17422_40550802

Justin Reid, safety
There was a brief period of time when it looked like Justin Reid might be able to salvage something here beyond 2024 with the Chiefs. He's been a strong leader in the secondary and a solid performer on the field who has engendered himself with fans and coaches with his physical playing style, personable demeanor, and clear leadership. He's also part of a bloated section of the roster.

The window for keeping Reid around with a conceivable extension closed the moment the Chiefs had Jaden Hicks fall into their lap in the bottom of the fourth round. Remember this: they even took tight end Jared Wiley with their pick two selections before Hicks and he was still there. In the end, Hicks proved too talented to pass up despite no clear need at the position (or real path to playing time early).

Next year, the Chiefs will bring back Bryan Cook and Chamarri Conner, Nazeeh Johnson and Jaden Hicks, It's possible to kick Conner to the slot as a nickel but even then, you've got too much clear talent sitting too often. And safety remains a cheaper and easier position at which the team can stock further talent in next year's draft.

As painful as it was to lose talents like Charvarius Ward and L'Jarius Sneed from the secondary in the past couple of offseasons, the truth is that the Chiefs have kept the decks stacked in the defensive backfield. Looking at the future of safety, there's simply too much talent around—young, developmental, cost-controlled talent—to keep Reid on the books.

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2 hours ago, onejayhawk said:

Justin Reid is mentioned in this article about contract-year players who are likely to leave in 2025. They have this one right. Reid is Pro-Bowl level and will get paid elsewhere.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/5_players_who_are_likely_entering_their_final_season_with_the_kansas_city_chiefs/s1_17422_40550802

Justin Reid, safety
There was a brief period of time when it looked like Justin Reid might be able to salvage something here beyond 2024 with the Chiefs. He's been a strong leader in the secondary and a solid performer on the field who has engendered himself with fans and coaches with his physical playing style, personable demeanor, and clear leadership. He's also part of a bloated section of the roster.

The window for keeping Reid around with a conceivable extension closed the moment the Chiefs had Jaden Hicks fall into their lap in the bottom of the fourth round. Remember this: they even took tight end Jared Wiley with their pick two selections before Hicks and he was still there. In the end, Hicks proved too talented to pass up despite no clear need at the position (or real path to playing time early).

Next year, the Chiefs will bring back Bryan Cook and Chamarri Conner, Nazeeh Johnson and Jaden Hicks, It's possible to kick Conner to the slot as a nickel but even then, you've got too much clear talent sitting too often. And safety remains a cheaper and easier position at which the team can stock further talent in next year's draft.

As painful as it was to lose talents like Charvarius Ward and L'Jarius Sneed from the secondary in the past couple of offseasons, the truth is that the Chiefs have kept the decks stacked in the defensive backfield. Looking at the future of safety, there's simply too much talent around—young, developmental, cost-controlled talent—to keep Reid on the books.

I don’t disagree with any of this. I will say however, Reid does strike me as a guy who may take less to stay in KC. Loved the coaching, loves winning, talked at length about them letting him try the kicking stuff to extend his career. Again, we have young guns to fill the roles, though Johnson hasn’t really done much. So it really comes down to balance. He won’t play for vet min, we obviously won’t over pay, is there a number that makes sense?

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The age helps. We don't like paying out much money to anyone into their 30s unless we believe they're elite at their position (Jones, Thuney, Kelce) or it's a one year deal (all the merc DEs we've gotten in recent years.) We didn't retain Mathieu entering his year 30 season on a similar deal to Reid. But Reid will only be 28 next offseason. Still time for one more 2 or 3 year deal there within Veach's preferences. Honestly might depend on how crucial they think he is from a leadership perspective. Him and Bolton will be similar decision in that regard, to me. Not the elite players that Jones or McDuffie are, but clearly the guys Spags looks to to be the glue and the on field decision makers.

Defense is tough though, from a roster building perspective. Mahomes covers up a lot of deficiencies on his own. Kelce as well, to a lesser extent. There isn't as much of a defensive equivalent of that. Like, no matter how good Jones is, it really isn't going to make Nnadi or Wharton high performers. So which guys they think they're ready to replace will matter about as much as how good they are. We've never had a DT ready to supplant Jones, while we did have good corners behind Sneed, so that was the decision there. If they think Cook, Conner, and Hicks are all ready for larger roles in a year, that could matter more than the cost/quality of Reid.

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When we brought in Tyrann Mathieu the defense needed an attitude adjustment. That's not the case now.

Compared to 2018 our defense is younger, faster, bigger, and hits a lot harder. Back then the run defense was iffy. Now it's a strength.

Players like Reid and Nick Bolton get in the same number crunch that cost us Willie Gay and L'Jarius Sneed. So long as the FO keeps adding significant talent every draft we can continue indefinitely.

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1 hour ago, EMAW_KSU said:

I don’t think they’ll let Bolton walk.

Let's say that re-signing Humphrey and Trey Smith are higher priorities. 

Leo Chenal and Drue Tranquill make the idea possible. Those two did quite well when Bolton was injured.

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On 7/3/2024 at 6:24 AM, onejayhawk said:

Let's say that re-signing Humphrey and Trey Smith are higher priorities. 

Leo Chenal and Drue Tranquill make the idea possible. Those two did quite well when Bolton was injured.

I think Bolton is a higher priority than Trey Smith personally - though that could change by next offseason. I think it's easier to replace a guard when the rest of our iOL is Pro-Bowl caliber players than our #1 LB.

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PFF rates the secondary as top-10. It looks like Chamari Conner will take over as the primary slot defender making Trent McDuffie and Joshua Williams/Jaylen Watson as the boundary DB.

Previously, the Chiefs ranked #14 for DL and #12 for LB yet were a top-5 defense by any measure. The NY Jets ranked 1st or 2nd on all three levels. 
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-secondary-rankings-2024

9. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

The defending Super Bowl champions lost shutdown cornerback L’Jarius Sneed in free agency, but they return most of the core that held the team together back when the offense was trying to get going. Trent McDuffie is one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, while the rest of the secondary is underrated. Safety Chamarri Conner and cornerback Joshua Williams are not household names, but both graded above 75.2 in coverage in 2023.

 

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9 hours ago, TedLavie said:

I think Bolton is a higher priority than Trey Smith personally - though that could change by next offseason. I think it's easier to replace a guard when the rest of our iOL is Pro-Bowl caliber players than our #1 LB.

Not to get off topic since this is the defense post, but I agree on Bolton. But then I was thinking, there’s a good chance Thuney, Smith and Humphrey all have to look at the future in the off season. And we can’t lose 2 of three.

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Some comments by Tamba Hali about training with Karlaftis and Felix Anudike-Uzomah this offseason. Hali was never a great physical package but had great skill and Pushed relentlessly.
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2024/07/22/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-legend-tamba-hali-releases-pre-training-camp-video-featuring-george-karlaftis-felix-anudike-uzomah/

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5 hours ago, onejayhawk said:

Some comments by Tamba Hali about training with Karlaftis and Felix Anudike-Uzomah this offseason. Hali was never a great physical package but had great skill and Pushed relentlessly.
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2024/07/22/watch-kansas-city-chiefs-legend-tamba-hali-releases-pre-training-camp-video-featuring-george-karlaftis-felix-anudike-uzomah/

One thing that made Tamba a GREAT pass rusher: he had superior ankle flexibility. He could turn the corner on a dime and put extreme pressure on the blind side OT. Many times I remember seeing Tamba going nearly horizontal to the ground, getting past the OT and pressuring/sacking the QB

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First day of pads, Chiefs running a lot of 34 Defense with Chenal at EDGE. Something Ive been interested in him trying since he got into the league with his athletic profile 

Starting corners are Williams-Johnson outside and McDuffie inside 

Defense smothering the Offense on the first day of pads

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