Forge Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 40. Davante Adams 39. Joe Burrow 38. Sauce Gardner 37. Quinnen Williams 36. Tua Tagovailoa 35. Josh Hines-Allen 34. Jordan Love 33. Puka Nacua 32. Quincy Williams 31. Daron Bland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 You know Burrow’s got the respect when he’s that high after mostly rocky games (injured) followed by a season a season ending wrist surgery. Really shouldn’t be up there, but he’s not the first or last guy to get the legacy votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 12 minutes ago, Soko said: You know Burrow’s got the respect when he’s that high after mostly rocky games (injured) followed by a season a season ending wrist surgery. Really shouldn’t be up there, but he’s not the first or last guy to get the legacy votes. It's funny to see the disparity here compared to the espn poll from execs and coaches and whatnot where he was just flat out the second best QB in the league according to that vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 12 hours ago, Forge said: 40. Davante Adams 39. Joe Burrow 38. Sauce Gardner 37. Quinnen Williams 36. Tua Tagovailoa 35. Josh Hines-Allen 34. Jordan Love 33. Puka Nacua 32. Quincy Williams 31. Daron Bland How is Davante Adams above Chase? Also Joe Burrow below Tua and Jordan Love, no thank you. Quincy Williams? If he is that high than Fred Warner is top 20? Really that only speaks to the lack of quality 4/3 LBs regardless of position, it is hard to find a good OLB in a 4/3 and if Quincy is rated that high it is because he does not have much competition. Take CJ Mosely off the Jets and Williams is a totally worse player, and how in the world is Quincy better than Quinnen Williams, no way on earth that is the case, hell take Quinnen off the Jets and see how Quincey does. Matt Milano is way better than Quincey, so is Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Dre Greenlaw, Logan Wilson and if he could stay fully healthy Drue Tranquill is damn good also. But obviously not a ton of guys around to pick from, and so many at 3/4 guys who are edge and should not really be compared because they are mostly pass rushers. Also Daron Bland is not better than Winfield Jr or Kyle Hamilton as a player regardless of position. Great to have the season he had but who knows if that keeps up, I recall when everyone loved Eddie Jackson also after he had multiple INTs of TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson_Neat Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Is this still giving players no criteria and asking for a list of their top 20 players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Nelson didn’t make the list? he’s a top 3 G 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 21 hours ago, Forge said: 40. Davante Adams 39. Joe Burrow 38. Sauce Gardner 37. Quinnen Williams 36. Tua Tagovailoa 35. Josh Hines-Allen 34. Jordan Love 33. Puka Nacua 32. Quincy Williams 31. Daron Bland Real talk Tua is a better QB than Joe Burrow who hides in the hole of injuries to mask his pocket passer esque ability to take sacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 20 minutes ago, Xmad said: Real talk Tua is a better QB than Joe Burrow who hides in the hole of injuries to mask his pocket passer esque ability to take sacks. Games played, 53 for Tua and 52 for Burrow in a four year NFL career for both. Each one has had injury issues, Burrow more recently than Tua. But one has been in two AFC title games, a Super Bowl and is 5-2 in the playoffs, the other is 0-1. So whatever crap you are trying to throw on Burrow, that playoff record makes him clearly better than Tua at this point until Tua has equal success in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 15 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Games played, 53 for Tua and 52 for Burrow in a four year NFL career for both. Each one has had injury issues, Burrow more recently than Tua. But one has been in two AFC title games, a Super Bowl and is 5-2 in the playoffs, the other is 0-1. So whatever crap you are trying to throw on Burrow, that playoff record makes him clearly better than Tua at this point until Tua has equal success in the playoffs. This is a team sport, playoff success is just one factor. Burrow has two season ending injuries whereas Tua has just had nagging injuries and concussions. Tua is the better QB in terms of actual talent on the field. Burrow is a product of having two elite tier WRs and a coach who schemes getting the ball to those WRs. In his entire career Burrow has 9 TDs in 7 career playoff games. Blegh. Homies overrated and is a borderline top 8 QB who gets favor because he got lucky in one win over the chiefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 11 minutes ago, Xmad said: This is a team sport, playoff success is just one factor. Burrow has two season ending injuries whereas Tua has just had nagging injuries and concussions. Tua is the better QB in terms of actual talent on the field. Burrow is a product of having two elite tier WRs and a coach who schemes getting the ball to those WRs. In his entire career Burrow has 9 TDs in 7 career playoff games. Blegh. Homies overrated and is a borderline top 8 QB who gets favor because he got lucky in one win over the chiefs. As if Miami does not have a coach that schemes well? I would say Miami with Mike McDaniel is about as good of a "scheme" guy as there is in the NFL with combining the run and pass game. With that crazy good run game with now three legit backs with the addition of the rookie Wright, but basically two thousand yard backs in Mostert and Achane. Oh as if Miami does not have two elite tier WRs? Yeah Hill and Waddle really suck, oh and they have Beckham now and Jonnu Smith at TE. Tua is surrounded with tons of talent and is schemed up well with McDaniel running the show. Until he wins when it matters he is behind Burrow, period. Joe Burrow got those wins because of luck? Burrow played behind an awful OL at times especially in those first two years. Now it is improved but still lacking on the IOL, the guy is good and only thing holding him back is the injuries. Same could be said for Tua if those concussions come around again, and as if Tua was never hurt in college, yeah he was kind of a lot with some scary injuries. He only played one full season at Alabama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 30. Deebo Samuel, 49ers WR (+31) 29. Khalil Mack, Chargers LB (+9) 28. Brock Purdue 49ers QB (NA) 27. Nick Bosa, 49ers DE (-23) 26. Mike Evans, Bucs WR (+27) 25. Jalen Ramsey, Dolphins CB (+11) 24. Dexter Lawrence, Giants DT (+4) 23. Amon Ra-St. Brown, Lions WR (+44) 22. Penei Sewell, Lions OT (NA?) 21. AJ Brown, Eagles WR (+1) ——— Yeah, this list is horrific. Seems even worse than usual, but maybe recency bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, Soko said: 30. Deebo Samuel, 49ers WR (+31) 29. Khalil Mack, Chargers LB (+9) 28. Brock Purdue 49ers QB (NA) 27. Nick Bosa, 49ers DE (-23) 26. Mike Evans, Bucs WR (+27) 25. Jalen Ramsey, Dolphins CB (+11) 24. Dexter Lawrence, Giants DT (+4) 23. Amon Ra-St. Brown, Lions WR (+44) 22. Penei Sewell, Lions OT (NA?) 21. AJ Brown, Eagles WR (+1) ——— Yeah, this list is horrific. Seems even worse than usual, but maybe recency bias. The niners will have 7 of the top 30 on this list and the team can't win a super bowl. Jesus that sucks lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Forge said: The niners will have 7 of the top 30 on this list and the team can't win a super bowl. Jesus that sucks lol Don’t forget the elite HC, to boot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, Ozzy said: As if Miami does not have a coach that schemes well? I would say Miami with Mike McDaniel is about as good of a "scheme" guy as there is in the NFL with combining the run and pass game. With that crazy good run game with now three legit backs with the addition of the rookie Wright, but basically two thousand yard backs in Mostert and Achane. Oh as if Miami does not have two elite tier WRs? Yeah Hill and Waddle really suck, oh and they have Beckham now and Jonnu Smith at TE. Tua is surrounded with tons of talent and is schemed up well with McDaniel running the show. Until he wins when it matters he is behind Burrow, period. Joe Burrow got those wins because of luck? Burrow played behind an awful OL at times especially in those first two years. Now it is improved but still lacking on the IOL, the guy is good and only thing holding him back is the injuries. Same could be said for Tua if those concussions come around again, and as if Tua was never hurt in college, yeah he was kind of a lot with some scary injuries. He only played one full season at Alabama. He's an above average dude getting credit because the bar was literally in the grave for Bengals QBs. Tua is still more durable than season joe burrow and that's saying something when the dude known for injuries and concussions is more reliable than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 So the Chiefs are going to have three players in the top 10, and none from 11 - 100 (even Sneed isn't present, as an ex-Chief.) That's....questionable, but okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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