MOSteelers56 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, wwhickok said: Thomas is going to make the roster, that's almost a forgone conclusion for two reasons. #1, he probably would've been a day 2 pick at worst if not for the off field issues and past shoulder injuries. He has the talent to beat out probably anyone at ILB on our roster, potentially including Vince Williams. He is a player. He'll be a player on the 53 man roster. No UDFA making the roster is a foregone conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said: No UDFA making the roster is a foregone conclusion. Why so certain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chieferific said: Why so certain? Because it's the truth? I mean, he's not saying there's no chance. There have been undrafted guys who played very well in preseason and everyone thought they would make the roster, but it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 minute ago, FourThreeMafia said: Because it's the truth? I mean, he's not saying there's no chance. There have been undrafted guys who played very well in preseason and everyone thought they would make the roster, but it didn't happen. I read forgone conclusion as it's a fact no UDFA will make the roster. An UDFA making the roster happens enough that it isn't what I'd call a rarity especially considering what the depth looks like at ILB/OLB and WR. It would surprise me if one UDFA made it in one of those groups. I hope you know me well enough on here to know I don't get overly excited about Mini Camp news. However, I do think Thomas has a great chance considering his ability coupled with the complete garbage we have at ILB. Then again, he may get cut and I'll have egg on my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 No he's saying not to pinpoint one guy. How many years in a row did someone say Howard Johnson would be a near lock to make the roster? And he was on an active roster for basically 1 year. That's it. Now he's a FA and hasn't been picked up by anyone. But for so many people he was a lock to make the roster, better than so many other players, on and on. It's not a stretch to think a UDFA or two will make the roster, but to key in on one guy, and to say they could be a player, and will they be on the roster.....if that was the case then they wouldn't be an UDFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armsteeld2 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, warfelg said: No he's saying not to pinpoint one guy. How many years in a row did someone say Howard Johnson would be a near lock to make the roster? And he was on an active roster for basically 1 year. That's it. Now he's a FA and hasn't been picked up by anyone. But for so many people he was a lock to make the roster, better than so many other players, on and on. It's not a stretch to think a UDFA or two will make the roster, but to key in on one guy, and to say they could be a player, and will they be on the roster.....if that was the case then they wouldn't be an UDFA. Undrafted Howard Jones has 6 career sacks. First Round draft pick Bud Dupree, chosen 22nd overall, has 14 career sacks ? ?! Some players are given more opportunities than others but Dupree has played a couple thousand plays whereas Jones has maybe less than a thousand played. I’d take Jones in an instant over Dupree. Undrafted players are the same as drafted players in that they’re worth getting excited over. Whether one chooses to or not to is completely up to them. Maurice Hurst was a good player that no team wanted to risk taking in the first round, some probably wouldn’t have drafted him, but the Raiders got a terrific bargain in the 5th round. La’el Collins was in a similar situation after the tragedy that struck the mother of his unborn baby at the time. No team drafted him, even though he was one of the best OL in his class, yet Cowboys struck gold getting him as an UDFA. Damoun Patterson excels at playing Gunner, WR, and Returner. He is basically a cheaper version of DHB. A player that wears three hats is coveted in the NFL. Regarding Prince, don’t be surprised if Jerald Hawkins is cut. The Steelers have been known to cut dead weight players and sign some unknown players. After homework tonight, I’m going to watch Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 @Armsteeld2 La'el Collins isn't fair to keep in there. That's not something that happens every year. And sure HoJo did that....as a blitzing LB on a 4-3 team, not as the everydown 3-4 OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Chieferific said: I read forgone conclusion as it's a fact no UDFA will make the roster. An UDFA making the roster happens enough that it isn't what I'd call a rarity especially considering what the depth looks like at ILB/OLB and WR. It would surprise me if one UDFA made it in one of those groups. I hope you know me well enough on here to know I don't get overly excited about Mini Camp news. However, I do think Thomas has a great chance considering his ability coupled with the complete garbage we have at ILB. Then again, he may get cut and I'll have egg on my face. That's the thing you're right it's not a fact but the reason I say it's a foregone conclusion is because based on the things I've read about how Tomlin told Matthew Thomas that he has a plan for Matthew Thomas in that Matthew Thomas just have to put in the work it suggests to me that my tumlin prefers Thomas if he can show the ability over the current depth at inside linebacker. I believe LJ Fort will not make the roster. Having said that even if he does make the roster he doesn't mean that he will be a long-term player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 48 minutes ago, wwhickok said: That's the thing you're right it's not a fact but the reason I say it's a foregone conclusion is because based on the things I've read about how Tomlin told Matthew Thomas that he has a plan for Matthew Thomas in that Matthew Thomas just have to put in the work it suggests to me that my tumlin prefers Thomas if he can show the ability over the current depth at inside linebacker. I believe LJ Fort will not make the roster. Having said that even if he does make the roster he doesn't mean that he will be a long-term player. I'm not saying anything one way or the other, just that he was a udfa for a reason. If he was that much of a foregone conclusion to make a team, he wouldn't have went undrafted. I know our depth at inside linebacker is bad which is why he has a better shot here than other places, but I still wouldn't call it a foregone conclusion. If he is even remotely decent he shouldn't have a problem making the team, but as I've said, there have been other undrafted guys most Steeler fans thought but make the roster after strong camps and pre-seasons, But ultimately didn't make it. Time will tell I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armsteeld2 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, warfelg said: @Armsteeld2 La'el Collins isn't fair to keep in there. That's not something that happens every year. And sure HoJo did that....as a blitzing LB on a 4-3 team, not as the everydown 3-4 OLB. He did it as a 4-3 DE coming off the edge. Dupree is in a blitzing 3-4 scheme and still underproduced with a great interior pass rush ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 4 hours ago, warfelg said: No he's saying not to pinpoint one guy. How many years in a row did someone say Howard Johnson would be a near lock to make the roster? And he was on an active roster for basically 1 year. That's it. Now he's a FA and hasn't been picked up by anyone. But for so many people he was a lock to make the roster, better than so many other players, on and on. It's not a stretch to think a UDFA or two will make the roster, but to key in on one guy, and to say they could be a player, and will they be on the roster.....if that was the case then they wouldn't be an UDFA. So expect an UDFA or 2 but don't predict it to be a certain player? I understand the idea of simmering down on a player that is a UDFA. We see Mini Camp hype all too frequently. But if I think a UDFA has a GOOD chance of making the roster, I don't see the issue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Howard Jones was never really good, even 3 years ago when he had his one "good" year. Based on what I saw of him and read from Bucs fans, he was very feast of famine, and offered literally nothing outside of being a pass rush specialist. And what exactly has he done since then? Im not a fan of Dupree by any means, but Ill take him over Howard Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: 3 hours ago, wwhickok said: That's the thing you're right it's not a fact but the reason I say it's a foregone conclusion is because based on the things I've read about how Tomlin told Matthew Thomas that he has a plan for Matthew Thomas in that Matthew Thomas just have to put in the work it suggests to me that my tumlin prefers Thomas if he can show the ability over the current depth at inside linebacker. I believe LJ Fort will not make the roster. Having said that even if he does make the roster he doesn't mean that he will be a long-term player. 2 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: I'm not saying anything one way or the other, just that he was a udfa for a reason. If he was that much of a foregone conclusion to make a team, he wouldn't have went undrafted. I know our depth at inside linebacker is bad which is why he has a better shot here than other places, but I still wouldn't call it a foregone conclusion. If he is even remotely decent he shouldn't have a problem making the team, but as I've said, there have been other undrafted guys most Steeler fans thought but make the roster after strong camps and pre-seasons, But ultimately didn't make it. Time will tell I suppose. I think we're mixing up statements. I was not saying there was no way Thomas doesn't make the roster (tho I think he will). Where I differed was the statement that there was no way an UDFA will make the roster. That's a pretty Hot Take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Just now, Chieferific said: .Where I differed was the statement that there was no way an UDFA will make the roster. That's a pretty Hot Take. Who said that? If someone said it, then I agree. All I saw was someone argue that a UDFA making the team isnt a forgone conclusion.....and it isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, FourThreeMafia said: Who said that? If someone said it, then I agree. All I saw was someone argue that a UDFA making the team isnt a forgone conclusion.....and it isnt. @MOSteelers56, at the top of the page. Unless I'm not reading it correctly (which RARLEY happens). *I just re-read within the context of the previous post. I get it now and agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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