Deadpulse Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Bullet Club said: If order matters at all, which I don't agree with, it's an obscenely small amount. The order of the movies is a separate issue from direction and planning. MoS, BvS, SS, WW, JL is a completely acceptable order to put things in...if the plan is good and the movies are good. DC had no clue what they were doing so the movies were bad and it bombed. If you developed characters ahead of time in solo movies it is so much easier to do a team up movie with already developed characters. That is no small thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, Deadpulse said: If you developed characters ahead of time in solo movies it is so much easier to do a team up movie with already developed characters. That is no small thing. Yeah, it's easier. So what? The order is still not even a minor reason why the DCEU has failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 40 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: Yeah, it's easier. So what? The order is still not even a minor reason why the DCEU has failed. You cant really say one way or the other. However you just agreed it would be easier. So if they had done more development before JL hit it wouldve been easier to make and potentially not nearly as bad. Hypothetical, but possible. Im not trying to say here that it definitely would have improved anything, but things would certainly be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 21 hours ago, Deadpulse said: Marvel did it by using characters unknown to anyone outside of the hardcore comic fans. Not just comic fans, HARDCORE comic fans. They shaped those characters as they needed to create a cohesive ensemble. That fits what you were alluding to earlier with ensemble movies. However with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman etc you cant take those big creative liberties like you could with Guardians to make the pieces not only fit together, but fit your narrative. The GotG we got on screen is nothing like what was in the comics prior to the live action run (they have since mimic'd the movie versions). That's not at all what I'm talking about. Marvel successfully introduced freaking Spider-Man as a tiny side character in a team-up movie, but you're saying DC just had to have a Flash solo movie to make his character work in Justice League? I'm not talking about creative liberties or anything like that. I'm simply stating that solo movies were not and are not necessary for a successful ensemble movie, comic book or any other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Deadpulse said: You cant really say one way or the other. However you just agreed it would be easier. So if they had done more development before JL hit it wouldve been easier to make and potentially not nearly as bad. Hypothetical, but possible. Im not trying to say here that it definitely would have improved anything, but things would certainly be different. Yes, it's easier. That doesn't mean it's the only way you can do it. The order isn't the problem. The planning and content was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 10 hours ago, seminoles1 said: That's not at all what I'm talking about. Marvel successfully introduced freaking Spider-Man as a tiny side character in a team-up movie, but you're saying DC just had to have a Flash solo movie to make his character work in Justice League? I'm not talking about creative liberties or anything like that. I'm simply stating that solo movies were not and are not necessary for a successful ensemble movie, comic book or any other. I think The Flash movie would have been better off before Justice League if only because they wouldn't have had to cram developing him into an already crowded movie where they had to also develop cyborg, Aquaman, the villain, and the Justice League as a whole... As well as setting up Superman's return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Not every character needs a full development arc in an ensemble movie. Again...Civil War introduced both Spider-Man and Black Panther and barely mentioned anything about them and there were very few issues. If you want to complain about the quality of the movies, then fine. Plenty of issues there. But every character doesn't need a solo movie or full development right away to make a successful ensemble movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioG Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Apparently it made 90 mil in China this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 12/8/2018 at 7:53 AM, seminoles1 said: Not every character needs a full development arc in an ensemble movie. Again...Civil War introduced both Spider-Man and Black Panther and barely mentioned anything about them and there were very few issues. If you want to complain about the quality of the movies, then fine. Plenty of issues there. But every character doesn't need a solo movie or full development right away to make a successful ensemble movie. I agree to a point, but its a case by case basis. In Civil War, there was much more set up going into the movie, and the intro of Spidey and BP were done well. Everything in BvS and JL felt forced and rushed because they had much more to set up. So while you don't need a solo movie for every character in an ensemble, it would have worked out much better for the dceu if they had another solo movie or two given how undeveloped the universe was... A stark contrast to the MCU when civil war came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Currently at 74% after 55 reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, seminoles1 said: Currently at 74% after 55 reviews. After reading through a few full reviews, not sure how indicative that is. Seems very very mixed out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KManX89 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 10 hours ago, Deadpulse said: After reading through a few full reviews, not sure how indicative that is. Seems very very mixed out there. Given WB's track record, I expect that number to drop below a 70%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, KManX89 said: Given WB's track record, I expect that number to drop below a 70%. From what I've read, I imagine it heads just north of 50% with the fact that its a fun popcorn flick carrying it to "fresh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KManX89 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Deadpulse said: From what I've read, I imagine it heads just north of 50% with the fact that its a fun popcorn flick carrying it to "fresh" Regardless, they've already burned so much goodwill that having "mixed" WOM or hell, anything less than glowing reviews on any of their upcoming films will hurt their bottom line. A "disappointing but fun movie in spots" isn't a good look for a universe that's already had 4 duds out of the gate and isn't going to put butts in seats. Judging by the reviews, this looks to be on par with MoS, maybe a little bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 At this point, I wish they would just scrap the entire DCEU and give us a big budget Batman show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.