KingOfNewYork Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Williams had a huge impact on Donald, two time DPOY. Oliver has that upside. Still want Allen but man listen Oliver is going to be a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 When do you guys think D’andre Walker gets taken, love his game and think he could be a good edge at the next level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, barnaby8787 said: McDaniels will keep the system alive though I agree. But it’s Brady as the guy allowing the system to work. Can’t throw just any decent QB back there and expect it to be similar. That’s actually what I hope they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Bobby816 said: I agree. But it’s Brady as the guy allowing the system to work. Can’t throw just any decent QB back there and expect it to be similar. That’s actually what I hope they do I mean they did fine with Matt Cassel, Jimmy G, and Jacoby undercenter. I think NE just gets how to put players in the best possible position to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampantjet Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, jetskid007 said: Arg passing on Q and Allen and not getting a trade back is my nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, rampantjet said: Arg passing on Q and Allen and not getting a trade back is my nightmare. A lot of people are linking us to him, but many said Mayfield was our top QB as well. Oliver wouldn't surprise me at this point. I'm sure people are hearing his name as a possible target, but I think it's more likely to happen at a later pick than 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, jetskid007 said: A lot of people are linking us to him, but many said Mayfield was our top QB as well. Oliver wouldn't surprise me at this point. I'm sure people are hearing his name as a possible target, but I think it's more likely to happen at a later pick than 3. To piggy back off one of your previous posts and some of the info that’s come out today in terms of our Oliver I treat I think our goal might be to move back with Tampa or maybe swap with the Raiders and get ammo to move back into the 2nd round and take Oliver at 4 or 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Oliver is in the same tier as QWill and Allen. He's probably a level above Bosa who didn't even play last year and guys would be happy with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr.O said: To piggy back off one of your previous posts and some of the info that’s come out today in terms of our Oliver I treat I think our goal might be to move back with Tampa or maybe swap with the Raiders and get ammo to move back into the 2nd round and take Oliver at 4 or 5 That's my thought. I have a feeling TB moves up for QW, OAK takes White, we take Oliver (which will surely make Jets fans furious). Personally I don't think the Jets are as crazy in love with Allen as fans want to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, jetskid007 said: That's my thought. I have a feeling TB moves up for QW, OAK takes White, we take Oliver (which will surely make Jets fans furious). Personally I don't think the Jets are as crazy in love with Allen as fans want to believe. Tbh the last week or so Ive soured on him a bit, he literally won with only 1 Pass Rush move and athleticism. Not to say that he can’t learn more or he won’t be able to work around that but it is concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr.O said: Tbh the last week or so Ive soured on him a bit, he literally won with only 1 Pass Rush move and athleticism. Not to say that he can’t learn more or he won’t be able to work around that but it is concerning. And I think the Jets likely agree with you. He's great in space, excellent in coverage, but from a pure pass rush standpoint, there are more guys in this draft that are more talented and younger than Allen. Fans hate to hear it but need to throw positional labels in the trash; whoever we draft will likely play 3 different positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampantjet Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dr.O said: Tbh the last week or so Ive soured on him a bit, he literally won with only 1 Pass Rush move and athleticism. Not to say that he can’t learn more or he won’t be able to work around that but it is concerning. Oliver won with 0 pass rush moves. He just runs around a lot and has a high motor, and sometimes he would abuse an Olineman from like Rice or ECU.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, rampantjet said: Oliver won with 0 pass rush moves. He just runs around a lot and has a high motor, and sometimes he would abuse an Olineman from like Rice or ECU.... I’m not arguing that I’m just saying that I don’t thin Allen is as good of a prospect as some of us believe. Personally I don’t want Oliver either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Things you can teach- Pass rush moves Thinhs you cannot- Athleticism and motor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Dr.O said: Tbh the last week or so Ive soured on him a bit, he literally won with only 1 Pass Rush move and athleticism. Not to say that he can’t learn more or he won’t be able to work around that but it is concerning. He doesn’t bend around the edge well either. There’s definitely concerns there. I don’t think he’ll bust. I feel like he has a relatively high floor. Just that his ceiling may not be as high as most are suggesting. We will all know for sure in 3 years. Lol Edited April 19, 2019 by SDotNova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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