25 and Younger: Who ya got?

[Bearerofnews]

Also just for some perspective, last time Bosa and Mack played a 16 game season which was 2017, Bosa outplayed Mack.

Bosa 70 tackles, 4 ffs, 1 fr, 1 pd, 12.5 sacks 11 tfl, 21 qb hits.

 

Mack 78 tackles, 1 ff, 1 fr, 4 pds, 10.5 sacks, 15 tfl and 22 qb hits.

Depends what you value. Besides Mack is more a LB in Chicago. Joey is a DE.

[Ozzy]

15 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

Again based off what? Im not interested in what players did a couple years back. Gordon's last year playing, like these other backs was 2018. Behind a far inferior line, he had more ypc and ypt than all the RBs you mentioned. Also Gordon's health isnt a condition that most likely will alter his career like Gurley.

If Gordon doesnt hold out, he will out produce every RB you named outside Easy E and Barkley, i have no doubts about that. Again, 5.1 ypc and 6.0 ypt behind Chargers bottom 5 oline. 

But yes, he doesnt qualify for this thread, by a couple months. Gordon is a top 5 RB. Hopefully this formats readable enough. This is past 3 years. His production suggest top 5. Again, i cant EMPHASIZE this enough, behind an abysmal oline. He breaks tackles, runs in and outsides, good receiver, good blocker. Only issues has been in season injuries/health. Nothing ailing though long term.

 

 

 

as for Bosa, just because he might not be as good as Mack, doesnt make him not elite. Elite isnt just 1 player. Its a group. If Bosa isnt elite, than no 25 or younger dlinemen is elite. Hell if Bosa isnt elite, none of the Saints young players are elite. Arent you the same guy who has unrealistic HOF standards. Having these insane minimized standards is not the norm or no pun intended the industry standard. You are being a "difficult" contrarian.

I am now editing the Chargers list and doing your work for you I guess.  Include Sam Tevi, someone like yourself surprised you did not include him in the Chargers group as a promising you OT but still not super elite but worth being put into consideration I feel.  Still does not change much in my view of who has the better group between the two teams.

I like Bosa a ton and do think he is elite but obviously you just want to argue anything said against any Charger player on the roster so your opinion in this matter has went off the rails in many ways.  Get back to me when you actually watch college football prospects for years and have something to go off of outside just NFL play. 

[Bearerofnews]

6 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

I am now editing the Chargers list and doing your work for you I guess.  Include Sam Tevi, someone like yourself surprised you did not include him in the Chargers group as a promising you OT but still not super elite but worth being put into consideration I feel.  Still does not change much in my view of who has the better group between the two teams.

I like Bosa a ton and do think he is elite but obviously you just want to argue anything said against any Charger player on the roster so your opinion in this matter has went off the rails in many ways.  Get back to me when you actually watch college football prospects for years and have something to go off of outside just NFL play. 

Sam Tevi sucks and is complete garbage, that is why i didnt include him. Wouldn't be surprised if a complete reach like Pipkins beats him out.

[Bearerofnews]

7 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

I am now editing the Chargers list and doing your work for you I guess.  Include Sam Tevi, someone like yourself surprised you did not include him in the Chargers group as a promising you OT but still not super elite but worth being put into consideration I feel.  Still does not change much in my view of who has the better group between the two teams.

I like Bosa a ton and do think he is elite but obviously you just want to argue anything said against any Charger player on the roster so your opinion in this matter has went off the rails in many ways.  Get back to me when you actually watch college football prospects for years and have something to go off of outside just NFL play. 

Like i said before, i dont doubt you know your stuff about college prospects, i watch college football every week. But i dont have a real team i am completely invested in, so im not very up on college prospects and analyzing players at the college level. NFL is my spice, so that is where most of my invested interest is. Outside the off season happenings, as seen by my oversight of Philon and Cantrell.

[Soko]

23 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

Again based off what? Im not interested in what players did a couple years back. Gordon's last year playing, like these other backs was 2018. Behind a far inferior line, he had more ypc and ypt than all the RBs you mentioned. Also Gordon's health isnt a condition that most likely will alter his career like Gurley.

Based on his career. He gets hurt every season, misses games, and u til this last season, his YPC has been dreadful. You don’t get to just throw out seasons that have passed. He doesn’t pass the eye test and doesn’t pass the statistics test. 

23 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

If Gordon doesnt hold out, he will out produce every RB you named outside Easy E and Barkley, i have no doubts about that. Again, 5.1 ypc and 6.0 ypt behind Chargers bottom 5 oline. 

Football Outsiders has the Chargers ranked 5th in run blocking. PFF has them creating the 5th most yards before contact. They aren’t a bottom line when it comes to run blocking, they’re actually one of the best by most measures.

23 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

But yes, he doesnt qualify for this thread, by a couple months. Gordon is a top 5 RB. Hopefully this formats readable enough. This is past 3 years. His production suggest top 5. Again, i cant EMPHASIZE this enough, behind an abysmal oline. He breaks tackles, runs in and outsides, good receiver, good blocker. Only issues has been in season injuries/health. Nothing ailing though long term.

Check the OL rankings. Chargers aren’t bottom at run blocking.

And your chart is going to look favorable because Kamara, McCaffrey, Mixon, Barkley, and Bell weren’t a part of a team for 1/3 of that time period (2/3 in Barkley’s case). 

Also - what happened to “I’m not interested in what players did a couple years back”? Stay consistent, at least.

23 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

as for Bosa, just because he might not be as good as Mack, doesnt make him not elite. Elite isnt just 1 player. Its a group. If Bosa isnt elite, than no 25 or younger dlinemen is elite. Hell if Bosa isnt elite, none of the Saints young players are elite. Arent you the same guy who has unrealistic HOF standards. Having these insane minimized standards is not the norm or no pun intended the industry standard. You are being a "difficult" contrarian.

Elite is the top tier. Julio/AB/Hopkins are the top tier of WRs because you can make arguments for one or the other, but they’re all close. Bosa isn’t close to Mack. 

And yeah, I’m the contrarian here, lol. Go check the Gordon thread in NFL News and tell me how many of those guys, including Chargers fans, call him an elite back. You are by definition being contrarian by calling Gordon elite.

8 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

Also just for some perspective, last time Bosa and Mack played a 16 game season which was 2017, Bosa outplayed Mack.

Bosa 70 tackles, 4 ffs, 1 fr, 1 pd, 12.5 sacks 11 tfl, 21 qb hits.

Mack 78 tackles, 1 ff, 1 fr, 4 pds, 10.5 sacks, 15 tfl and 22 qb hits.

Depends what you value. Besides Mack is more a LB in Chicago. Joey is a DE.

Once again, inconsistent. I thought you didn’t care about a couple years back?

[Bearerofnews]

11 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said:

Based on his career. He gets hurt every season, misses games, and u til this last season, his YPC has been dreadful. You don’t get to just throw out seasons that have passed. He doesn’t pass the eye test and doesn’t pass the statistics test. 

Football Outsiders has the Chargers ranked 5th in run blocking. PFF has them creating the 5th most yards before contact. They aren’t a bottom line when it comes to run blocking, they’re actually one of the best by most measures.

Check the OL rankings. Chargers aren’t bottom at run blocking.

And your chart is going to look favorable because Kamara, McCaffrey, Mixon, Barkley, and Bell weren’t a part of a team for 1/3 of that time period (2/3 in Barkley’s case). 

Also - what happened to “I’m not interested in what players did a couple years back”? Stay consistent, at least.

Elite is the top tier. Julio/AB/Hopkins are the top tier of WRs because you can make arguments for one or the other, but they’re all close. Bosa isn’t close to Mack. 

And yeah, I’m the contrarian here, lol. Go check the Gordon thread in NFL News and tell me how many of those guys, including Chargers fans, call him an elite back. You are by definition being contrarian by calling Gordon elite.

Once again, inconsistent. I thought you didn’t care about a couple years back?

I dont like using past years, but you brought up his past ypc. I just wanted to paint the entire story for those last years you referenced. Fans dont think Gordon is elite because he has missed games and hasnt had that marquee year. Guarantee you if he rushes for 1500 to 1600 yds in 2019, with a 5.0 ypc, everyone will be calling him elite. The eye test is subjective. Good Morning Football calls him the angriest runner because of how he breaks tackles. Guys on total access and NFL live call him elite. 

FO has him 5th DYAR and 3rd DVOA, PFF had him top 2 most of the year. Think he finished 3rd or 2nd. I dont get the contrast difference in opinion on Gordon from "experts" to fans. Maybe fans are to stuck on those previous sub 4.0 ypc season.

You yourself put only 4 guys definitively over him. With 1 having huge health questions (like an actual lingering long term condition). So saying Gordon is top 5 is not contrarian at all.

 

As for Bosa... yes, because i thought it might provide more perspective when comparing last time he and mack played same amount of games. Either way Mack is a LB and Bosa is DE. Saying Bosa isnt elite, when just about every list on this site has him top 3 to top 4 as a PASS RUSHER let alone a DE. 

Outside of Watt i cant think of a DE you can definitely say is better than Bosa. That makes him elite by all measures.

[Soko]

30 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

I dont like using past years, but you brought up his past ypc. I just wanted to paint the entire story for those last years you referenced. Fans dont think Gordon is elite because he has missed games and hasnt had that marquee year. Guarantee you if he rushes for 1500 to 1600 yds in 2019, with a 5.0 ypc, everyone will be calling him elite. The eye test is subjective. Good Morning Football calls him the angriest runner because of how he breaks tackles. Guys on total access and NFL live call him elite. 

The “entire story” is Gordon has been a mediocre RB production-wise, until 2018 - a season that he couldn’t play in start to finish. That’s his 4th season. You expect an upward trend for players and especially running backs, early in their careers. We’ve yet to see if this is a flash in the pan or if it’s Gordon turning around his career. That’s why past seasons are important. 

Is this year a trend or an anomaly? Meanwhile you look at a guy like McCaffrey, where in his second year, he has become what the league thought he could become. Maybe that’s a flash too, but we haven’t seen seasons of mediocrity from him like we have with Gordon.

30 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

FO has him 5th DYAR and 3rd DVOA, PFF had him top 2 most of the year. Think he finished 3rd or 2nd. I dont get the contrast difference in opinion on Gordon from "experts" to fans. Maybe fans are to stuck on those previous sub 4.0 ypc season.

Again - one year where his production is good but not spectacular, won’t be enough.

30 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

You yourself put only 4 guys definitively over him. With 1 having huge health questions (like an actual lingering long term condition). So saying Gordon is top 5 is not contrarian at all.

5. Gurley, Zeke, Barkley, Kamara, and Bell. And top 5 =/= elite. Explained that already. 

30 minutes ago, Bearerofnews said:

As for Bosa... yes, because i thought it might provide more perspective when comparing last time he and mack played same amount of games. Either way Mack is a LB and Bosa is DE. Saying Bosa isnt elite, when just about every list on this site has him top 3 to top 4 as a PASS RUSHER let alone a DE. 

Outside of Watt i cant think of a DE you can definitely say is better than Bosa. That makes him elite by all measures.

He’s not even close to a top 3 pass rusher. He’d have to be beating either Mack, Donald, or Watt to be in that category. Bosa doesn’t even beat Chandler Jones or Von Miller yet. 

Keep the LA shades on, dude. 

[Ozzy]

1 hour ago, Bearerofnews said:

I dont like using past years, but you brought up his past ypc. I just wanted to paint the entire story for those last years you referenced. Fans dont think Gordon is elite because he has missed games and hasnt had that marquee year. Guarantee you if he rushes for 1500 to 1600 yds in 2019, with a 5.0 ypc, everyone will be calling him elite. The eye test is subjective. Good Morning Football calls him the angriest runner because of how he breaks tackles. Guys on total access and NFL live call him elite. 

FO has him 5th DYAR and 3rd DVOA, PFF had him top 2 most of the year. Think he finished 3rd or 2nd. I dont get the contrast difference in opinion on Gordon from "experts" to fans. Maybe fans are to stuck on those previous sub 4.0 ypc season.

You yourself put only 4 guys definitively over him. With 1 having huge health questions (like an actual lingering long term condition). So saying Gordon is top 5 is not contrarian at all.

 

As for Bosa... yes, because i thought it might provide more perspective when comparing last time he and mack played same amount of games. Either way Mack is a LB and Bosa is DE. Saying Bosa isnt elite, when just about every list on this site has him top 3 to top 4 as a PASS RUSHER let alone a DE. 

Outside of Watt i cant think of a DE you can definitely say is better than Bosa. That makes him elite by all measures.

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/story/0ap3000001021338/article/saquon-barkley-headlines-2018s-top-rbs-in-yac

 

Gordon is not the angriest runner in the NFL and you should not listen to the opinion of freaking Good Morning Football as proof of anything.  He is 6th on this list of YAC but not close to the top and I would rather tackle Gordon then tackle Elliott, Gurley, Barkley, Henry, Conner, Peterson, Howard etc.  Are you hard to bring down or not and I would not say Gordon is harder to bring down than these guys.  To Gordon's credit he is easily the best back out of Wisconsin and that group of Wisconsin backs in the NFL is not very good especially considering on where some of them were drafted, tons of them have failed and failed big time.  

[Bearerofnews]

1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said:

The “entire story” is Gordon has been a mediocre RB production-wise, until 2018 - a season that he couldn’t play in start to finish. That’s his 4th season. You expect an upward trend for players and especially running backs, early in their careers. We’ve yet to see if this is a flash in the pan or if it’s Gordon turning around his career. That’s why past seasons are important. 

Is this year a trend or an anomaly? Meanwhile you look at a guy like McCaffrey, where in his second year, he has become what the league thought he could become. Maybe that’s a flash too, but we haven’t seen seasons of mediocrity from him like we have with Gordon.

Again - one year where his production is good but not spectacular, won’t be enough.

5. Gurley, Zeke, Barkley, Kamara, and Bell. And top 5 =/= elite. Explained that already. 

He’s not even close to a top 3 pass rusher. He’d have to be beating either Mack, Donald, or Watt to be in that category. Bosa doesn’t even beat Chandler Jones or Von Miller yet. 

Keep the LA shades on, dude. 

Id say his most recent year is the best indicator of what he currently is. You are right it could be a 1 year blip, but if its not and he continues like he did 18, he will be one of the top 3 to 5 rbs. Depending what others do. He was right there in 2018, absolutely.  You call it a good year, but nothing special, yet when the 2 sites you used to prop up chargers oline said it was top 3, you disregard. Talk about inconsistent.

Let's revist this after 2019 season then.

As for the Bosa bit, its ridiculous plain and simple. He is a DE, he is an elite DE, because he is top 3 DE, which makes him 100% elite and id guarantee that is the consensus anywhere you go. Stop being weird.

[iknowcool]

2 hours ago, Bearerofnews said:

But yes, he doesnt qualify for this thread, by a couple months. Gordon is a top 5 RB. Hopefully this formats readable enough. This is past 3 years. His production suggest top 5. Again, i cant EMPHASIZE this enough, behind an abysmal oline. He breaks tackles, runs in and outsides, good receiver, good blocker. Only issues has been in season injuries/health. Nothing ailing though long term.

 

							Games		Rushing					Receiving								Scoring										Total Yds
Rk	Player	From	To	Draft	Tm	Lg	G	GS	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	Y/G	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	TD	XPM	XPA	XP%	FGM	FGA	FG%	2PM	Sfty	Pts	Touch	TotOff	YScm ▼	APYd	RtY
1	Ezekiel Elliott	2016	2018	1-4	DAL	NFL	40	40	868	4048	4.66	28	101.2	172	135	1199	8.88	6	30.0	78.5%	6.97	34									204	1003	4048	5247	5240	0
2	Todd Gurley	2016	2018	1-10	RAM	NFL	45	45	813	3441	4.23	36	76.5	226	166	1695	10.21	10	37.7	73.5%	7.50	46							3		282	979	3441	5136	5136	0
3	Melvin Gordon	2016	2018	1-15	SDG	NFL	41	39	713	2987	4.19	28	72.9	206	149	1385	9.30	10	33.8	72.3%	6.72	38							2		232	862	2987	4372	4372	0
4	LeSean McCoy	2016	2018	2-53	BUF	NFL	45	44	682	2919	4.28	22	64.9	180	143	1042	7.29	3	23.2	79.4%	5.79	25							1		152	825	2919	3961	3956	0
5	Jordan Howard	2016	2018	5-150	CHI	NFL	47	44	778	3370	4.33	24	71.7	108	72	568	7.89	1	12.1	66.7%	5.26	25									150	850	3370	3938	3938	0
6	Le'Veon Bell	2016	2017	2-48	PIT	NFL	27	27	582	2559	4.40	16	94.8	200	160	1271	7.94	4	47.1	80.0%	6.36	20							1		122	742	2559	3830	3834	0
7	Mark Ingram	2016	2018	1-28	NOR	NFL	44	33	573	2812	4.91	24	63.9	156	125	905	7.24	5	20.6	80.1%	5.80	29							2		178	698	2812	3717	3717	0
8	Lamar Miller	2016	2018	4-97	HTX	NFL	44	41	716	2934	4.10	13	66.7	119	92	678	7.37	5	15.4	77.3%	5.70	18									108	808	2934	3612	3612	0
9	David Johnson	2016	2018	3-86	CRD	NFL	33	33	562	2202	3.92	23	66.7	205	136	1392	10.24	7	42.2	66.3%	6.79	30							2		184	698	2202	3594	3594	0
10	Frank Gore	2016	2018	3-65	TOT	NFL	46	46	680	2708	3.98	7	58.9	101	79	646	8.18	6	14.0	78.2%	6.40	13									78	759	2708	3354	3346	0
11	Alvin Kamara	2017	2018	3-67	NOR	NFL	31	16	314	1611	5.13	22	52.0	205	162	1535	9.48	9	49.5	79.0%	7.49	32							4		200	476	1611	3146	3701	555
12	Isaiah Crowell	2016	2018		TOT	NFL	45	38	547	2490	4.55	15	55.3	123	89	653	7.34	0	14.5	72.4%	5.31	15							1		92	636	2490	3143	3143	0
13	Christian McCaffrey	2017	2018	1-8	CAR	NFL	32	26	336	1533	4.56	9	47.9	237	187	1518	8.12	11	47.4	78.9%	6.41	20									120	523	1583	3051	3271	220
14	Carlos Hyde	2016	2018	2-57	TOT	NFL	43	36	629	2497	3.97	19	58.1	137	96	546	5.69	3	12.7	70.1%	3.99	22							1		134	725	2497	3043	3037	0
15	Kareem Hunt	2017	2018	3-86	KAN	NFL	27	27	453	2151	4.75	15	79.7	98	79	833	10.54	10	30.9	80.6%	8.50	25									150	532	2151	2984	2984	0
16	Tevin Coleman	2016	2018	3-73	ATL	NFL	44	17	441	1948	4.42	17	44.3	123	90	996	11.07	11	22.6	73.2%	8.10	28									168	531	1948	2944	2944	0
17	Devonta Freeman	2016	2018	4-103	ATL	NFL	32	32	437	2012	4.60	18	62.9	119	95	802	8.44	3	25.1	79.8%	6.74	21									126	532	2012	2814	2814	0
18	Latavius Murray	2016	2018	6-181	TOT	NFL	46	29	551	2208	4.01	26	48.0	86	70	508	7.26	0	11.0	81.4%	5.91	26							1		158	621	2208	2716	2716	0
19	Derrick Henry	2016	2018	2-45	OTI	NFL	47	16	501	2293	4.58	22	48.8	50	39	372	9.54	1	7.9	78.0%	7.44	23									138	540	2307	2665	2665	0
20	Jay Ajayi	2016	2018	5-149	TOT	NFL	33	23	513	2329	4.54	12	70.6	75	56	329	5.88	1	10.0	74.7%	4.39	13							1		80	569	2329	2658	2658	0

 

Using "past three years" as your criteria blatantly leaves out some of the best backs of the last 2 years though.  Kamara, McCaffrey, Barkley, and Hunt.  Probably some others I'm forgetting considering how insane the 2017 class was.  And which of those four guys, off the field issues aside, are you taking Gordon over?

[Bearerofnews]

34 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/story/0ap3000001021338/article/saquon-barkley-headlines-2018s-top-rbs-in-yac

 

Gordon is not the angriest runner in the NFL and you should not listen to the opinion of freaking Good Morning Football as proof of anything.  He is 6th on this list of YAC but not close to the top and I would rather tackle Gordon then tackle Elliott, Gurley, Barkley, Henry, Conner, Peterson, Howard etc.  Are you hard to bring down or not and I would not say Gordon is harder to bring down than these guys.  To Gordon's credit he is easily the best back out of Wisconsin and that group of Wisconsin backs in the NFL is not very good especially considering on where some of them were drafted, tons of them have failed and failed big time.  

GMFB is a pretty intelligent show actually. Maybe not in terms of Balddinger and Dilfer Xs and Os. But in terms of perspective. The list you linked is total yac, now divide by total carries. Your list is asinine. Outside of Henry, Easy E and maybe Barkley, none of those guys run harder or through tackles like Gordon. Honestly, not even close.

[Bearerofnews]

Just now, iknowcool said:

Using "past three years" as your criteria blatantly leaves out some of the best backs of the last 2 years though.  Kamara, McCaffrey, Barkley, and Hunt.  Probably some others I'm forgetting considering how insane the 2017 class was.  And which of those four guys, off the field issues aside, are you taking Gordon over?

Honestly all except Barkley. Hunt is tough to say.

[Dome]

Alright @Ozzy you’re not the only one who said I’m sleeping on Vonn Bell.

Deuce Windham, a YouTube scout who focuses on the Saints, just called him the best DB on the Saints roster, including Lattimore. Consistency played a big part in that valuation. 

I very much value Deuce’s film study and Saints analysis so I’m taking him at his word on this one 

[Ozzy]

41 minutes ago, Dome said:

Alright @Ozzy you’re not the only one who said I’m sleeping on Vonn Bell.

Deuce Windham, a YouTube scout who focuses on the Saints, just called him the best DB on the Saints roster, including Lattimore. Consistency played a big part in that valuation. 

I very much value Deuce’s film study and Saints analysis so I’m taking him at his word on this one 

Yeah Von Bell can play, not sure long term I would call him the best DB on that roster but in terms of right now consistently yeah he probably is.  Is so versatile in coverage and comfortable in space, can be moved around and he can handle his own and reacts well to the football.  Kind of surprised how good he is in the box in the league, he is tough and tackles well with great range for a safety. The Saints a few years back had so many young DBs and now they got quite a collection of them and many can play.

 

The Saints also added TJ Green to help that safety position out in terms of depth, he has big time physical tools in terms of speed and size and is quite tall.  And at corner easy to forget they have Patrick Robinson who can play, Marcus Sherels who can double as a return man and be a backup slot corner, PJ Williams who I really liked coming out of college in terms of his toughness as a corner and  Ken Crawley who has some legit length for the position.  Kaden Ellis I like as an athlete and project LB/pass rusher type, they also have Vince Biegel who can be hell off the edge but might be better in a 3/4, still gives awesome effort.  Sylvester Williams who had some good years in Denver and is a fine backup and the rookie Shy Tuttle is very rare but flashed at times on Tennessee, but guy who can move pretty well.  Oh and they got Jared Cook who is going to dominate in that offense, guy is a big time athlete and is a condor out there, huge and fast and will rip defenses up.  

They just have a damn good roster overall.  There will be some cuts coming out of New Orleans though based on all the talent they have, they will probably have to let some decent guys go because cannot keep them all.  And lucky for them outside of Thomas who they took care of, none of the young guys contracts are up, when Kamara, Lattimore, Ramczyk, Peat, Armstead, Davenport, Rankins etc need to get paid they will not be able to pay them all.  

 

All of these contracts are up in 2020, then then a lot of rest in 2021.  So they better win now when they can especially with Drew still around. 

2020
Brees
Bridgewater
Peat
V. Bell
Apple
Klein
PJ Williams
J. Allen
R. Matthews
Crawley
Sherels
TJ Green

 

2021
M. Lattimore
S. Rankins
R. Ramczyk
A. Kamara
C. Robertson
J. Cook
L. Warford
A. Anzalone
T. Hendrickson
M. Edwards
D. Davis
M. Williams
T. Stallworth

 

[Dome]

10 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

Yeah Von Bell can play, not sure long term I would call him the best DB on that roster but in terms of right now consistently yeah he probably is

Yeah... I think Deuce was referencing the 2018 season up until now for his claim, not making a projection moving forward.

10 minutes ago, Ozzy said:

Kind of surprised how good he is in the box in the league, he is tough and tackles well with great range for a safety.

Deuce has some sources in the Saints locker room that say he's put on an additional 11 pounds this offseason, as part of a plan to add weight. We'll see if his range suffers, haven't heard anything out of camp about him looking slower.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Dome