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Training Camp/Preseason 2019: 1-3: Time to get to 53

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naptownskinsfan

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8 hours ago, Skins212689 said:

Well whatever Syner did to out Brian Lafemina he needs to try to do with them. Even if he can't, accept some responsibility for the displeasure of his players and work something out with them. We don't watch games, buy tickets, ect because of Dan Synder fans do it for the players they cheer for! Fix the freaking issue Danny Boy or you will see your current stadium never Full of Redskins fans and more than likely will never get a deal for a new Stadium.

I don't think we can claim Reuben Foster off waivers again.  

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I need another football for @Thaiphoons latest post, well done.  

I think another example here should suffice for how this works- WWE has their own doctors onsite for their live events.  If a wrestler is legitimately injured, the referee calls for the doctor to come check on the wrestler.  If they can somehow finish the match quickly, they do it, othertimes, the doctors will call the match.  They do handle things on-site like stitches/staples, aircasting or other things to get the talents stable if they are being transported and handle other minor medical ailments.  

CM Punk had a well-known issue with one of WWE's doctors because they failed to diagnose him with a MRSA infection.  Ultimately, it led to a defamation lawsuit because of how it was put over on social media.  But it could've been avoided if Punk, who had been having the problem for some time, went to see someone specialized for a second opinion.  The doctor in this case may not have had the speciality needed to correctly diagnose or treat the problem.  Essentially, it's like me having an issue, and going to my primary care doctor and him saying "well, it could be this, but I'm not sure, let me refer you to a specialist" and not going.  At that point, I have no one to blame for this but myself.  

I see both sides in this situation, and no one is going to win in this because both sides are too dug in.  Common sense dictates that the Redskins (specifically Snyder) should have a face-to-face meeting and come to some arrangement.  Common sense also dictates Williams should've gone to a specialist, and he's in dangerous waters because with the comments that are being attributed to him, Inova can sue him for defamation of character and cost him more money.   

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9 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said:

I need another football for @Thaiphoons latest post, well done.  

I think another example here should suffice for how this works- WWE has their own doctors onsite for their live events.  If a wrestler is legitimately injured, the referee calls for the doctor to come check on the wrestler.  If they can somehow finish the match quickly, they do it, othertimes, the doctors will call the match.  They do handle things on-site like stitches/staples, aircasting or other things to get the talents stable if they are being transported and handle other minor medical ailments.  

CM Punk had a well-known issue with one of WWE's doctors because they failed to diagnose him with a MRSA infection.  Ultimately, it led to a defamation lawsuit because of how it was put over on social media.  But it could've been avoided if Punk, who had been having the problem for some time, went to see someone specialized for a second opinion.  The doctor in this case may not have had the speciality needed to correctly diagnose or treat the problem.  Essentially, it's like me having an issue, and going to my primary care doctor and him saying "well, it could be this, but I'm not sure, let me refer you to a specialist" and not going.  At that point, I have no one to blame for this but myself.  

I see both sides in this situation, and no one is going to win in this because both sides are too dug in.  Common sense dictates that the Redskins (specifically Snyder) should have a face-to-face meeting and come to some arrangement.  Common sense also dictates Williams should've gone to a specialist, and he's in dangerous waters because with the comments that are being attributed to him, Inova can sue him for defamation of character and cost him more money.   

Bingo!

It's like asking a podiatrist about the rash on your arm and him saying see a dermatologist.

If you dont do it, that's on you. Dont blame the "foot doctor" for not diagnosing correctly a dermatological issue

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15 hours ago, Thaiphoon said:

Ahem, I've been one of the posters who have wanted the medical/training staff gone for years. Don't make any mistake about it.

As for players happy and showing up to training camp. Only one isn't. The rest are there. So, I'm failing to see the point you're trying to make that the medical staff is causing mass holdouts of our roster.

Nothing is stopping the players from having their own doctors. Nothing. However, having each player have their own personal doctor supplied by the team in the team facility creates a whole host of issues (financial, logistical, practical, medical,etc...). It's why you don't see it happen. And if so, it's very very rare.

Again, no one is saying not to take responsibility for the medical staff. But again, and this is for the umpteenth time now, the medical staff are NOT ONCOLOGISTS!!!

They are sports medicine doctors. Who deal with sports injuries. They are not oncologists who diagnose and treat cancer. 

Understand the difference, now? 

The team doctors told Trent to go get a 2nd opinion....by....HIS OWN DOCTORS!!

He waited. And when he eventually did they removed the growth. Which was benign.

End of story.

Firing the entire staff or allowing him to have his own personal doctor who only treats him is not going to fix the issue you think needs to be resolved.

It would at this point. You can't fire the entire staff at this point.

And given e16bballs assertion that its a multiyear multimillion dollar contract, I doubt they break it for one player. Even one like Trent.

If you allow one player to have that type of treatment, every player will demand it in their contract. Good luck getting anything done in a cohesive manner when 53 players all have their own doctor.

All players deserve the best treatment possible. This is true. But again, hiring 53 individual doctors to treat the players individually is not a smart move. I really shouldn't have to spell out why.

Where have I said this? I've been one of the posters who has railed against the medical/training staff for years now. The problem you're having is that you've never apparently had to actually manage any group of people and never had to coordinate resources to support them. In my day job, I am in charge of 10 Task Orders (Contracts) which total about $250M. You're engaging in the "in the weeds" viewpoint that a line employee would have. Which I don't take issue with since that is all you've apparently been seeing. Take a moment to zoom out a bit and get the bigger picture from up above to understand how one change that you think isn't such a big deal can affect the organization. Off the top of my head I can see one issue (there are many more beyond this one), imagine the jealousy and cancerous atmosphere it brings to the locker room when one player is getting his own doctor and others aren't. So then you have 53 different doctors treating your players individually. All doing things their own way and on their own timetable. You cannot have any part of your staff (even medical) doing things 53 different ways and hope to maintain a cohesive strategy of prevention, healing, recovery, getting back on the field. That might be fine if you're running a hospital who are treating 53 individuals who happen to come into the ER. But you're trying to field a football team. 

And that is just one facet of how a single change that seems so easy to make (and when you're in the weeds doesn't seem like a big deal) has broader implications when you pan out and view it from management's perspective.

Trent's not showing up because he wants more $$. I'm not convinced this is only because of the medical staff. I think the medical staff is a convenient foil for him to extract a new contract out of the Redskins. And yes, I'll give him a mea culpa about our staff while guaranteeing his 2019 salary and converting it into a bonus. But that's the extent of the $$ flowing to him right now.

That's up to Trent. At this point, if the Redskins offer to guarantee 2019 salary and then talk with him to see what can be done about his concerns with the medical staff (short of firing everyone or giving him his own doctor), and he still wants to hold out?

Great. That's his call to make.

But know this...

We lost with him. We can lose without him.

Let's go through it:

  1. He's on the wrong side of 30
  2. He's missed 16 games in the last 3 years
  3. He was our most penalized OL last year (if you've watched him, his skills are declining)
  4. He's got 2 strikes in the drug protocol (next one is one year ban)
  5. You can scheme your way to help out an average LT so that Trent's absence is not that greatly felt. Lots of teams are able to do it without having a guy like Trent at LT
  6. Trent is almost all salary in 2019 and 2020. Which means all of the guaranteed money in his current contract has already been paid to him. Which means that if he doesn't show, that is about (IIRC) $27M total (2019 and 2020) he is missing out on. And from the Redskins perspective, this is already a sunk cost in terms of the cap.
  7. He is currently on the Reserve: Did Not Report list. Which means that if he sits out this year and next, the Redskins do not have to pay him and he is...wait for it...STILL A REDSKIN! Oh dear...guess he didn't think that through.
  8. Given the reality of #7, if Trent does sit out both years. He will then be a 33 year old OT with declining skills, who hasn't played in 2 years (out of football shape), who is still not going to play in the NFL because his rights belong to the team he swears he'll never play for.
  9. Given #7 and #8, he can kiss any thoughts of a HOF bust in Canton goodbye.
  10. Given #7 and #8, I hope he's saved his money. Because he won't get another dime playing football again

 

The one dealing with the consequences the most is Trent if he continues to sit out. He sits out 2019 and the Redskins simply replace him in 2020. It's not ideal from the team standpoint to have to do that, but in the grand view of things, this hurts Trent more long term than it does the Redskins. Like I said, we lost with him, we can lose without him.

I've personally have had 2 kidney transplants and Never did I go to another Doctor for a 2nd opinion once My Doctor told me my kidneys had failed. This whole 2nd opinion thing is something new to me. Should I have asked another Doctor to diagnosed me with Kidney Failure b4 I started treatment for Kidney Failure? 

 

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5 minutes ago, Skins212689 said:

I've personally have had 2 kidney transplants and Never did I go to another Doctor for a 2nd opinion once My Doctor told me my kidneys had failed. This whole 2nd opinion thing is something new to me. Should I have asked another Doctor to diagnosed me with Kidney Failure b4 I started treatment for Kidney Failure? 

 

No. But did you go to a podiatrist to diagnose your kidney failure? My guess is that you didn't.

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11 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said:

Just a guess, either a specialist in sports medicine or a general/primary care practitioner.  So, not an oncologist.  Hence, why they asked him to get a second opinion. 

Correct.

Which is why him blaming the team's doctors for it is ridiculous and an obvious ploy for more $$

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