turtle28 Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 15 hours ago, mike23md said: I dont see Snyder as that hard charging take control guy. How long was it before he had to fire Vinny? 2 years too late. Snyder too, is incompetent as an owner and cant get out of his own way, but Allen assures him that he can lead the way. The same guy who fired Casserly when he became owner, Norv with a winning record in 2000, Marty after just one year, and almost everyone else who worked for the Redskins before Jack Kent Cooke died is not a hard charging take control guy? Snyder didn’t fire Vinny for the same reason he hasn’t fired Allen, they did what he wanted. They’re yes men. Casserly wasn’t going to have Snyder tell him how to do his job, same with Norv and Marty so they were all fired within the first 3 years Snyder was owner and Shanahan was fired for the same reason in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Snyder fired Cerrato because he had to win the fans back. That's how I saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 41 minutes ago, MikeT14 said: Snyder fired Cerrato because he had to win the fans back. That's how I saw it. Yeah, only time in his tenure that he actually paid attention to what the fans wanted. Us fans wanted Cerrato to stay gone after Marty “relieved him of his duties.” I remember on nfl countdown that year Berman’s nickname for Cerrato was “white shirt Vinny.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing202 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Idk if this means anything . But there's an article in 2017 saying Ryan Anderson can be a succesful ILB. If Anderson lost some weight in an effort to move to inside linebacker there's a chance his non-adjusted speed would improve even more compared to these other off-ball backers.[quote/] "I train hard, I work hard, but I ain't no workout warrior," Anderson explained. "I don't care about broad jumps and long jumps. I ran at the combine and I'm fast enough to set the edge -- nobody beat me on the edge. I can run with tight ends. I can cover running backs. Football is football. I'm a football player. All that other stuff, you can break it down however you want to break it down. It has nothing to do with football." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2017/6/15/15743730/skins-stats-ryan-anderson-amp-the-athleticism-elephant-in-the-room Well ...more of a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy_29 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Dashing202 said: Idk if this means anything . But there's an article in 2017 saying Ryan Anderson can be a succesful ILB. I remember that one: saying he is one of the worst athletes at ILB/OLB in the entire NFL. After reading that, I cannot see a future at OLB. It was a football coach ego pick (imo). In terms of players with top level measurables still on the board: Demarcus Walker (33" arms and 10.5" hands) Dalvin Tomlinson's (33.5" arms and 10 1/8" hands) Zach Cunningham (6'3" height at ILB and 34 3/8" arms) Tanoh Kpassagnon (35 5/8" arms and 10 5/8" hands) JuJu Smith-Schuster (32 7/8" arms and 10 1/2" hands) Dion Dawkins (35" arms) Taylor Moton (34 1/8" arms and 10 5/8" hands) This isn't difficult to figure out what you need to do in the second round, just as it isn't in the first. This is a game of inches - yes, your arm length and hand size do make a difference. Other factors including agility, acceleration and smarts, but the reasoning for guys going early is obvious. They picked an inferior prospect early. I am still smh about this a year later because this is the kind of issue you get in when you have flawed logic. Any one of those guys and you are looking at vastly different needs on this team. Tomlinson locks down NT Cunningham takes care of ILB Dawkins takes on LG, or pushes Moses there Taylor Morton (development LT/RT) JuJu upgrades any roster Kpassagnon/Walker at DL (doesn't stop McClain getting fat and lazy) Anyway...hopefully they're smarter or Bruce is fired. Scouts were saying Anderson would go in round 2, the Redskins should have let someone else go for the guy who would literally defy all odds of success as an OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 This team is so stupid. We drafted Preston Smith, a guy that played DE/DT in college and asked him to play OLB. We drafted Trent Murphy, a guy that played 3-4 OLB his whole career in college, and asked him to move to DE (he then moved back to OLB and was great). We drafted Ryan Anderson (we probably shouldn't have) and are trying to force him to play OLB when he's obviously a MLB. We drafted Sua Cravens and tried to make him a full time MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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footy_29 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, MKnight82 said: This team is so stupid. We drafted Preston Smith, a guy that played DE/DT in college and asked him to play OLB. We drafted Trent Murphy, a guy that played 3-4 OLB his whole career in college, and asked him to move to DE (he then moved back to OLB and was great). We drafted Ryan Anderson (we probably shouldn't have) and are trying to force him to play OLB when he's obviously a MLB. We drafted Sua Cravens and tried to make him a full time MLB. Preston Smith was actually a great pick. Not what I wanted (McKinney), but Preston may be the better player in time. The 2014 second round draft had a great run on players that were seemingly high up on the list. Trent Murphy was a case of looking at his bone structure and getting greedy about the ability to have a highly athletic end. He's Justin Tuck in the sense that he has developed some versatility and can win some one-on-one match-ups. They also had issues figuring out how to use him best at first. Su'a Cravens is a knuckle head, but the Redskins were only a half-step behind other teams looking for dynamic undersized ILB. You can protect one ILB in a 34 defense, and that should allow you to have more speed on the field. The Falcons just sent Deion Jones to the Pro Bowl as a replacement - he's a safety drafted to play LB. They were making a strategic gamble on the wrong player - you can blame McCloughan fully for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, footy_29 said: Preston Smith was actually a great pick. Not what I wanted (McKinney), but Preston may be the better player in time. The 2014 second round draft had a great run on players that were seemingly high up on the list. Trent Murphy was a case of looking at his bone structure and getting greedy about the ability to have a highly athletic end. He's Justin Tuck in the sense that he has developed some versatility and can win some one-on-one match-ups. Su'a Cravens is a knuckle head, but the Redskins were a step behind other teams looking for dynamic undersized ILB. They were making a strategic gamble on the wrong player. I blame McCloughan fully for that one. I think you missed my point. I'm not knocking the selection of these players, I'm criticizing how the coaching staff handled them once they were on the roster. All of them are playing out of position IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A TRAIN 89 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 4 hours ago, MKnight82 said: This team is so stupid. We drafted Preston Smith, a guy that played DE/DT in college and asked him to play OLB. We drafted Trent Murphy, a guy that played 3-4 OLB his whole career in college, and asked him to move to DE (he then moved back to OLB and was great). We drafted Ryan Anderson (we probably shouldn't have) and are trying to force him to play OLB when he's obviously a MLB. We drafted Sua Cravens and tried to make him a full time MLB. This. Its just a matter of time before Anderson is moved to MLB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 So, because hogshaven says so, that makes it the gospel? They’re nothing but fans blogging, they’re not even official beat reporters and damn sure aren’t scouts or nfl coaches. Anderson has never played inside, if they were going to do that with him, they should have started the process last May. Anderson would be worse in coverage than Zach Brown and that’s god awful! I remember arguing with someone from there before because they wanted to move Murohy to ILB instead of DE after he wasn’t cutting it his first two years as an edge pass rusher. Moving Murphy to ILB would’ve been an awful move. Weve had this argument before about Smith too. People can think what they want but I really don’t think McCloughan would have drafted Preston Smith over guys like Eric Kendrick’s, Eddie Goldman and Bernadrick Mickiney if he didn’t think Smith could develop into an 8 to 10 sack guy going against LT’s, the best pass blockers in the nfl and Smith has developed into just that. Smith only plated DT in 3rd and long situations. We clearly did have a choice after we drafted Murphy and Smith. We could have had them get stronger/quicker - and in Smith’s case lose a bit of weight - so they could play 3-4 OLB or put weight on them so they could be 3-4 DEs. Either way, I’m fine with what they’ve developed into. Murphy had a good 2016, Smith had a mostly good 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 3 hours ago, footy_29 said: Preston Smith was actually a great pick. Not what I wanted (McKinney), but Preston may be the better player in time. The 2014 second round draft had a great run on players that were seemingly high up on the list. Trent Murphy was a case of looking at his bone structure and getting greedy about the ability to have a highly athletic end. He's Justin Tuck in the sense that he has developed some versatility and can win some one-on-one match-ups. They also had issues figuring out how to use him best at first. Su'a Cravens is a knuckle head, but the Redskins were only a half-step behind other teams looking for dynamic undersized ILB. You can protect one ILB in a 34 defense, and that should allow you to have more speed on the field. The Falcons just sent Deion Jones to the Pro Bowl as a replacement - he's a safety drafted to play LB. They were making a strategic gamble on the wrong player - you can blame McCloughan fully for that one. Shouldn’t have traded down in 2014, should of taken Tuitt with our natural pick. That being said, I agree with your analysis of Murphy. They had to figure out how to use him, well actually our defensive coordinator in 2014 used him in the right way but then he was asked to be a ROLB where he struggled to beat LTs. In 2016 they moved him around a lot more, a little inside, a little at both OLB spots and a lot of time at 4-3 DE when we went 4 man DL where he was most effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy_29 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 35 minutes ago, turtle28 said: So, because hogshaven says so, that makes it the gospel? They’re nothing but fans blogging, they’re not even official beat reporters and damn sure aren’t scouts or nfl coaches. Anderson has never played inside, if they were going to do that with him, they should have started the process last May. Anderson would be worse in coverage than Zach Brown and that’s god awful! I remember arguing with someone from there before because they wanted to move Murohy to ILB instead of DE after he wasn’t cutting it his first two years as an edge pass rusher. Moving Murphy to ILB would’ve been an awful move. Anderson, in somewhat limited snaps, has played ILB at Alabama and at Daphne High. Not sure if you read the article because it doesn't matter who wrote that article - facts were laid out in a relatively objective fashion. Hard to argue for Anderson at OLB if he is literally one of the least athletic OLBs on any roster. Dropping about 5-7lbs and moving to ILB is the way for Anderson to be able to use his instincts (and start) while serving as the tone setter of this defense. It is intangibles pick for his 'mean streak' and football IQ. If you're gonna do that, he better be starting calibre somewhere, and it's not at edge rusher. Urlacher was a RB/WR/returner/DB in high school and a safety in college - hall of fame MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 6, 2018 Author Share Posted February 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, footy_29 said: Anderson, in somewhat limited snaps, has played ILB at Alabama and at Daphne High. Not sure if you read the article because it doesn't matter who wrote that article - facts were laid out in a relatively objective fashion. Hard to argue for Anderson at OLB if he is literally one of the least athletic OLBs on any roster. Dropping about 5-7lbs and moving to ILB is the way for Anderson to be able to use his instincts (and start) while serving as the tone setter of this defense. It is intangibles pick for his 'mean streak' and football IQ. If you're gonna do that, he better be starting calibre somewhere, and it's not at edge rusher. Urlacher was a RB/WR/returner/DB in high school and a safety in college - hall of fame MLB. True, but Urlacher was an exceptional athlete, Anderson isn’t that athletically gifted and Anderson is built like Elvis Dumervil and James Harrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mar29020 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 6 hours ago, MKnight82 said: This team is so stupid. We drafted Preston Smith, a guy that played DE/DT in college and asked him to play OLB. We drafted Trent Murphy, a guy that played 3-4 OLB his whole career in college, and asked him to move to DE (he then moved back to OLB and was great). We drafted Ryan Anderson (we probably shouldn't have) and are trying to force him to play OLB when he's obviously a MLB. We drafted Sua Cravens and tried to make him a full time MLB. thus we are the redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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