The Orca Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, SwAg said: I'm curious as to who is going to give 100% as Town for the duration of the game, aware that they could at any point be dealing critical damage to the faction there is a significant chance they eventually become. Bless all ya innocent goofballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, The Orca said: Me too, can't ya tell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Orca Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, SwAg said: Me too, can't ya tell? You tried to lynch me, so We shall see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I mean, I've been slow walking it because it's an outbreak game, but you all have been so good and not bothered me, I will try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 On 4/20/2020 at 8:59 PM, SwAg said: Orca The VC prior to 8:59 was: bcb - 4 - Forge, Hobo, Lefty, Orca Hobo - 3 - bcb, swoosh, Matts Orca - 3 - MWil, Counselor, ET MWil - 3 - Josh, MSE, N4L SwAg - 3 - Rick, Ron, Biggio Rick - 1 - Shady Slim Finn - 1 - Finn Then I tied it to between Orca and bcb. On 4/20/2020 at 8:59 PM, Pickle Rick said: Bcb Rick reacted to save Orca, rather than voting for MWil, the person who did a fake guilty on him. Not sure it's meaningful because they sorta just do this type of thing for each other. On 4/20/2020 at 9:00 PM, swoosh said: mwil On 4/20/2020 at 9:00 PM, Shady Slim said: mwil Swoosh and Shady both voted MWil inexplicably. Maybe Shady voted MWil because Rick voted bcb and his vote was previously on Rick, who was not in danger then. No idea why Swoosh changed. Either way, I don't see either as original Mafia because of their late Finn swap the next day. (See below). On 4/20/2020 at 9:03 PM, swoosh said: well with that we have a tie between bcb and mwil. just what i wanted. VC 5 bcb - forge, hobo, lefty, orca, pickle 5 mwil - joshstradaymus, MSE, N4L, swoosh, slim 4 orca - MWil23, Counselor, ET, swag 2 hobo - bcb, Matts 2 swag - Ron, Biggio 1 fin - fin On 4/20/2020 at 9:04 PM, daboyle250 said: So OT between bcb and mwil Daboyle is present, and present 10 minutes before the deadline. Previously voted for matts because he "did not want to break a tie," and foreshadowed not voting by wanting to see how it played out. On 4/20/2020 at 9:05 PM, MWil23 said: MWil23 On 4/20/2020 at 9:06 PM, MWil23 said: Vote me On 4/20/2020 at 9:06 PM, MWil23 said: Hey everyone vote me please On 4/20/2020 at 9:07 PM, MWil23 said: Vote me MWil goes full apathy mode. I'm not going to quote it all, but there are like 15 posts asking to die, and he eventually claims Vanilla Town, Jernigan, when the reason being pushed for bcb is that he claimed Vanilla, so no risk involved. On 4/20/2020 at 9:09 PM, mse326 said: MWil23 On 4/20/2020 at 9:10 PM, daboyle250 said: Bcb On 4/20/2020 at 9:18 PM, N4L said: he didn't tag anyone that was voting for anyone other than bcb voters. that is significant to me This seems like a non-clueless attempt to analyze in a runaway lynch, so I think N4L looks pretty decent there. On 4/20/2020 at 9:21 PM, The Orca said: He did tag, Bcb who was voting Hobo He tagged Swag and Daboyle who weren't vlring and Daboyle didnt vote until OT On 4/20/2020 at 9:22 PM, daboyle250 said: Mostly because I wanted to be included I think his gambit is a load of baloney This is the first real indication of daboyle's thoughts on the game. At this point, I would be skeptical of an MWil/Daboyle scum pairing because this does not read as scum-on-scum distancing to me at least. On 4/20/2020 at 9:24 PM, N4L said: bcb On 4/20/2020 at 9:27 PM, ET80 said: Bcb Not really sure either of you went with bcb either other than it's essentially a runaway and claimed Vanilla. On 4/20/2020 at 9:33 PM, Pickle Rick said: 11 bcb - forge, hobo, lefty, Pickle, bcb, shady, matts, daboyle, n4l, et, orca 4 mwil - joshstradaymus, MSE, Swoosh, mwil, Absent from the OT Final VC are: Finn, Counselor, SwAg, Dome, Ron, Biggio, MD4L, Ted (now Bcb), and Mookie. Compare this list with the cross-section of the Regulation Final VC: On 4/20/2020 at 9:03 PM, swoosh said: well with that we have a tie between bcb and mwil. just what i wanted. VC 5 bcb - forge, hobo, lefty, orca, pickle 5 mwil - joshstradaymus, MSE, N4L, swoosh, slim 4 orca - MWil23, Counselor, ET, swag 2 hobo - bcb, Matts 2 swag - Ron, Biggio 1 fin - fin Dome did not vote. Mookie did not vote. MD4L did not vote. Ted (now bcb) did not vote. Counselor voted for Orca; Finn voted for himself. Ron and Biggio were on me with Rick until Rick switched at the end of regulation. Bcb is lynched. Fast forward to the end of the next day phase... This is the VC at 8:59 EST. Quote Swoosh - 5 - Forge, ET, Hobo, mse, Rick Rick - 6 - Bcb (II), Shady, MWil, Lefty, Swoosh, Finn Matts - 3 - N4L, Biggio, Daboyle Finn - 3 - Orca, Matts, Counselor N4L - 1 - SwAg SwAg - 1 - Mega Ron 4 hours ago, SwAg said: finn 4 hours ago, swoosh said: finn 4 hours ago, Shady Slim said: finn These votes swung the lynch from the three leading candidates (Rick, Swoosh, Matts) to Finn, who had only two votes at the time. I'm not sure if Orca's vote on Finn is a teammate distance gone awry with an unpredictable late swing, or genuine. But, I am certain that the three swing votes there are all Town (or BoB) as of yesterday at the time of the voting. Quote Swoosh - 5 - Forge, ET, Hobo, mse, Rick Rick - 4 - Bcb (II), MWil, Lefty, Finn Matts - 3 - N4L, Biggio, Daboyle Finn - 6 - Orca, Matts, Counselor, SwAg, Swoosh, Shady SwAg - 1 - Mega Ron Finn is lynched. So, let's recall the list of people who had curious voting on the previous day and see how they look through all of this: Day 1: Dome did not vote. Mookie did not vote. MD4L did not vote. Ted (now bcb) did not vote. Counselor voted for Orca; Finn voted for himself; both off the main lynch lines. Ron and Biggio were on me with Rick until Rick switched at the end of regulation. Day 2: Dome did not vote. Mookie did not vote. MD4L did not vote. Josh did not vote (but voted on D1). Counselor and Finn are resolved with death. Biggio is off the main line, again, no longer voting for me, but voting for matts before he role claimed, and seems to have been absent at phase shift / matts' claim. Ron continued to meme vote for me. Something to think about: Dome, Mookie, and MD4L do not seem at all concerned about Rule 13 because they've yet to vote in this game, or maybe their activity in Discord is sufficient to avoid repercussion, or MoL simply do not enforce rules, but given the reaction to Night posting on the first Night, I may be slightly skeptical on that. Otherwise, the relevant information of note from re-reading is: - Forge seems to like being the first vote on people who are almost certainly Town at this juncture; Hobo seems to be in lockstep with Forge. - Mega Ron has abstained from actual participation while meeting the requirements of the game; contrast with Dome/Mookie/MD4L (see preceding paragraph). - N4L has some Town game-solving points, but looked poor with the transition to today, starting here and continuing for the next 4-5 pages. - MSE seems interested in game-solving, and thus I would lean Town thus far based solely on interactions. If he's Mafia, and aware of the identities of other Mafia, then he's a psychopath to have brutalized his teammates like he has so far. - Daboyle sat on the matts lynch even though he claimed, and was present to tell Swoosh that he was Town precisely 1 minute after vote deadline. 2 hours ago, swoosh said: VC 10 daboyle - swoosh, daboyle, MWil, forge, lefty, N4L, Orca, Matts, shady, swag 2 pickle - ET, bcb 1 MWil - mse 1 ET - pickle Of note: - Daboyle went from WIFOM to "kill me" in about 8 minutes. - MWil's response to MSE calling him scum was weird. - Still dealing with absenteeism, and that is going to be a significant issue in an outbreak setup. - A lot of people are going with the vote, but needlessly expressing their rationale. So, I do not have enough to make an accurate read list for today yet, but as of the Finn lynch, I would be very confident in this list: Daboyle RickMookie (Significant behavior change from D1 to D2; reminiscent gameplay from previous scum games (see Burn Notice, Star Trek)). Hobo (Seems to be cozying up to people who could offer thread protection and not rocking the boat)Dome (Absenteeism and under-the-radar at present; reminiscent gameplay from previous scum games; Biggio (Absenteeism; avoiding main lynch lines) Ron (Absenteeism; abstaining from bona fide participation) Forge (Seems to enjoy killing Town, null tell) MWil (The Rick gambit can go either way in terms of a tell because it's guaranteed to collapse because of the open setup, and appeal to absurdity WIFOM) N4L (See above section about the poor transition this day phase). Lefty OrcaJoshbcb (II)MSEShadyMattsETSwooshSwAg If you do not have a description, you're either (1) so far gone as scum in my eyes that I do not need to explain it; (2) provided me with enough that I am comfortable with my read, or are otherwise "cleared" for the snapshot time period of yesterday; or (3) so non-descript thus far that I have nothing to say about you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 There you all go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 You yellow buckos better shape up cuz I'mma start going axe crazy once my main reads are gone, and you're all sitting there like a school bus of kindergartners ready to watch me stomp on the Easter Bunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, SwAg said: N4L has some Town game-solving points, but looked poor with the transition to today, starting here and continuing for the next 4-5 pages. I think I was fine. Im town. My positions are non-ambiguous. I am trying to find the pattern in the votes and fake role claims. trying to work through the facts. Your recap was appreciated, but obviously its impossible to summarize 60+ pages of gameplay in one post. I find it interesting you did not explicitly address the fact that both rickle and et are claiming to be Donald. I think this is going to be a main sticking point moving forward. Donald only has powers on certain nights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Why would I need to specify that in that post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 That’s not a summary of the game. That’s the VC analysis, and the bulletpoints are summaries of my reads. The claim being Donald, which I already addressed in another post, is immaterial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) I don’t know how that’s the sticking point either. Explain it to me as though I am a five-year-old that is particularly dumb. Edited April 22, 2020 by SwAg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) EDIT BIG DOUBLE POST Edited April 22, 2020 by N4L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwAg Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, SwAg said: scum. I wish. Maybe then I would actually have a night move to make. im the most vanilla person in Houston right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, SwAg said: Why would I need to specify that in that post? you wouldn't. Im just saying finding a definitive answer to that question is the biggest domino in the thread trying to stick to the facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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