Boston vs Miami .. For the EAST!!

[resilient part 2]

Anyone who argues against this is trolling.. 

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, resilient part 2 said:

The Stevens apologist at this site are so way beyond logical. So' I'll leave it at that.

Beyond logical? Stevens has been in Boston for 7 years (including this season), for the 6 years that are already finished a LeBron led team made the finals in 5 of those years and knocked you guys out of the ECF both times you made it, with the only exception being last season where the Raptors made it led by another future HOF in his prime in Kawhi. 

Stevens has only had an All-NBA level performer during 3 seasons, Isaiah Thomas (2nd team) in '16-17 when you guys made the ECF and lost to LeBron, Kyrie Irving (2nd team) in '17-18 when you guys made the second round and lost to Giannis (MVP/Best record in the league), and in '19-20 Tatum (3rd team) where you guys are in the ECF with a chance to still win the series. 

Since 2012 every team to make the finals had at least 1 All-NBA player, 10/16 teams to make the finals have had multiple All-NBA players, with the only exceptions being...

2014 - Miami (LeBron made it but they also had Wade/Bosh), San Antonio (Parker made it but they also had Kawhi/Manu/Duncan)

2016 - Cleveland (LeBron made it but they also had Kyrie/Love)

2017 - Cleveland (LeBron made it but they also had Kyrie/Love)

2018 - Cleveland (LeBron was the only one that made it)

2019 - Toronto (Kawhi was the only made it but they had Lowry/Siakam/Gasol)

And 5/8 teams that won it all had multiple All-NBA players with the exceptions being the Spurs in 2014, Cavaliers in 2016, and Raptors in 2019.

And even that is kinda skewed because the Cavaliers still had two players that were recently All-NBA performers in Love/Irving, the Spurs had two players that were recently All-NBA performers in Manu/Duncan plus another that would be All-NBA level soon in Kawhi, and the Raptors had two players that were semi recently All-NBA performers in Lowry/Gasol plus another that would be an All-NBA level player the following year in Siakam. 

So in reality the only team to make the finals in that span with only 1 player that was All-NBA or recently made All-NBA was the Cavaliers in 2018.

[NYRaider]

14 minutes ago, resilient part 2 said:

damn that list doesn't even include the 8th pick we gave to Cleveland for Kyrie which could have ended up being SGA or M Porter.. If draft picks were money then Brad Stevens is the Bill Gates of coaches.. 

Isn't that more so on Danny Ainge then? You guys have had 11 first round picks including 3 top 6 picks and they only have 1 All-NBA team and 1 All-Star team appearances between all 11 of them. 

[resilient part 2]

3 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Isn't that more so on Danny Ainge then? You guys have had 11 first round picks including 3 top 6 picks and they only have 1 All-NBA team and 1 All-Star team appearances between all 11 of them. 

No Ainge is the GOAT GM or something.. It is on both.. I am sure Stevens has a strong say in who gets drafted, but it is definitely on Stevens to develop them..

[resilient part 2]

9 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Beyond logical? Stevens has been in Boston for 7 years (including this season), for the 6 years that are already finished a LeBron led team made the finals in 5 of those years and knocked you guys out of the ECF both times you made it, with the only exception being last season where the Raptors made it led by another future HOF in his prime in Kawhi. 

Stevens has only had an All-NBA level performer during 3 seasons, Isaiah Thomas (2nd team) in '16-17 when you guys made the ECF and lost to LeBron, Kyrie Irving (2nd team) in '17-18 when you guys made the second round and lost to Giannis (MVP/Best record in the league), and in '19-20 Tatum (3rd team) where you guys are in the ECF with a chance to still win the series. 

Since 2012 every team to make the finals had at least 1 All-NBA player, 10/16 teams to make the finals have had multiple All-NBA players, with the only exceptions being...

2014 - Miami (LeBron made it but they also had Wade/Bosh), San Antonio (Parker made it but they also had Kawhi/Manu/Duncan)

2016 - Cleveland (LeBron made it but they also had Kyrie/Love)

2017 - Cleveland (LeBron made it but they also had Kyrie/Love)

2018 - Cleveland (LeBron was the only one that made it)

2019 - Toronto (Kawhi was the only made it but they had Lowry/Siakam/Gasol)

And 5/8 teams that won it all had multiple All-NBA players with the exceptions being the Spurs in 2014, Cavaliers in 2016, and Raptors in 2019.

And even that is kinda skewed because the Cavaliers still had two players that were recently All-NBA performers in Love/Irving, the Spurs had two players that were recently All-NBA performers in Manu/Duncan plus another that would be All-NBA level soon in Kawhi, and the Raptors had two players that were semi recently All-NBA performers in Lowry/Gasol plus another that would be an All-NBA level player the following year in Siakam. 

So in reality the only team to make the finals in that span with only 1 player that was All-NBA or recently made All-NBA was the Cavaliers in 2018.

I can not repeat this enough.. But the EAST was so bad that the NBA was being pressured, into changing their entire playoff format that they had since what forever..

also this is for you.. 25th in the NBA against ZONE #patheticagain

 

[resilient part 2]

I am shutting down all responses about Stevens and or Ainge till tomorrow.. 

Gordon Hayward better be the 2nd coming of Jesus.. no offense of course..

[NYRaider]

58 minutes ago, resilient part 2 said:

But that isn't even half the argument, Stevens had 2X to 3X as many pick PERIOD than anyone else... On top of those powerball long shots lottery picks to work with..

WITH 3 max players!!

Isn't it Danny Ainge's responsibility to draft good players. And again, if you look at recent criteria for NBA champions and teams that made it to the NBA finals. 10/16 had multiple All-NBA players, 3/16 only had 1 All-NBA player but also had at least two other players that had recently made an All-NBA team, and 2/16 only had 1 All-NBA player but also had at least two other players that had recently made an All-NBA team and a player that would make an All-NBA team the following season. The only exception being LeBron and the Cavaliers in 2017-2018.

So based on that you guys have had 3 teams that have met that criteria in recent years.

Your '16-17 team that had Isaiah Thomas (2nd team All-NBA) and Al Horford who was semi recently an All-NBA performer but came up against LeBron James, 

Your '18-19 team that had Kyrie Irving (2nd team All-NBA), Al Horford who was semi recently an All-NBA performer, and Tatum who was third team All-NBA the following year but lost to the MVP and team with the best record in the league. 

Your '19-20 team that has Jayson Tatum (3rd team All-NBA) and Kemba Walker who was 2nd team All-NBA last season, and you still have a chance to win a title. 

To take it even further, during that span there have only been 3 teams to win a title without a 1st team All-NBA performer. The Spurs in 2014 who only had Parker (2nd team) but also had 3 other future HOFers in Duncan/Kawhi/Manu, the Warriors in 2017 who had Durant/Curry (2nd team) and Green (3rd team) but also had another future HOFer in Klay, and the Raptors last year who only had Kawhi (2nd team) but also had Lowry/Gasol that had both been All-NBA players in the past and Siakam who went on to be All-NBA the following season. 

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by NYRaider

[NYRaider]

13 minutes ago, resilient part 2 said:

No Ainge is the GOAT GM or something.. It is on both.. I am sure Stevens has a strong say in who gets drafted, but it is definitely on Stevens to develop them..

As I pointed out earlier there have been 5 other teams that have had 3+ top 8 picks during the same span the Celtics have and none of them have made it to the conference finals with any of those players on their roster. 

[resilient part 2]

17 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

As I pointed out earlier there have been 5 other teams that have had 3+ top 8 picks during the same span the Celtics have and none of them have made it to the conference finals with any of those players on their roster. 

It's like you don't see anything else.. 4 lottery picks which is 5 (Kyrie trade for number ) PLUS these draft picks PLUS 3 max players > all of those teams combined...

 

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ROMEO LANGFORD 14  2019	NBA	1	20	Matisse Thybulle (↳PHI)	Washington	65	1287	305	107	79	.423	.357	.610	19.8	4.7	1.6	1.2	2.3	.086	0.3	0.8
2019	NBA	1	22	Grant Williams	Tennessee	69	1043	237	178	68	.412	.250	.722	15.1	3.4	2.6	1.0	1.6	.071	-2.7	-0.2
2019	NBA	2	51	Tremont Waters	LSU	11	119	40	12	16	.286	.167	1.000	10.8	3.6	1.1	1.5	-0.3	-0.103	-7.5	-0.2
Year	Lg	Rd	Pk	Player	College	G	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	WS	WS/48	BPM	VORP
2018	NBA	1	27	Robert Williams	Texas A&M	61	671	231	209	34	.719		.633	11.0	3.8	3.4	0.6	3.2	.231	3.7	1.0
Year	Lg	Rd	Pk	Player	College	G	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	WS	WS/48	BPM	VORP
2017	NBA	1	3Jayson Tatum		Duke	225	7158	3902	1339	496	.457	.401	.829	31.8	17.3	6.0	2.2	18.9	.127	1.6	6.5
2017	NBA	2	37	Semi Ojeleye	SMU	198	2755	617	392	80	.391	.340	.688	13.9	3.1	2.0	0.4	3.7	.065	-3.4	-1.0
2017	NBA	2	53	Kadeem Allen	Arizona	47	640	258	71	109	.435	.349	.757	13.6	5.5	1.5	2.3	1.0	.075	-1.0	0.2
2017	NBA	2	56	Jabari Bird	California	13	115	39	19	8	.577	.429	.462	8.8	3.0	1.5	0.6	0.2	.098	-3.1	0.0
Year	Lg	Rd	Pk	Player	College	G	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	WS	WS/48	BPM	VORP
2016	NBA	1	3	Jaylen Brown	California	279	7340	3655	1243	396	.468	.371	.678	26.3	13.1	4.5	1.4	13.9	.091	-1.2	1.6
2016	NBA	1	16	Guerschon Yabusele		74	486	173	105	31	.442	.323	.682	6.6	2.3	1.4	0.4	1.1	.105	-1.9	0.0
2016	NBA	1	23	Ante Žižić		113	1517	674	446	64	.581		.711	13.4	6.0	3.9	0.6	3.5	.110	-2.6	-0.2
2016	NBA	2	31	Deyonta Davis (↳MEM)	Michigan State	107	1299	454	346	47	.599	.000	.635	12.1	4.2	3.2	0.4	3.6	.131	-2.1	0.0
2016	NBA	2	35	Rade Zagorac (↳MEM)
2016	NBA	2	45	Demetrius Jackson	Notre Dame	26	136	48	19	17	.486	.286	.667	5.2	1.8	0.7	0.7	0.2	.087	-0.5	0.1
2016	NBA	2	51	Ben Bentil	Providence	3	10	0	2	0	.000	.000		3.3	0.0	0.7	0.0	-0.1	-0.473	-25.9	-0.1
2016	NBA	2	58	Abdel Nader	Iowa State	164	2083	732	287	84	.421	.352	.716	12.7	4.5	1.8	0.5	2.1	.048	-2.8	-0.4
Year	Lg	Rd	Pk	Player	College	G	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	WS	WS/48	BPM	VORP
2015	NBA	1	16	Terry Rozier	Louisville	335	7597	3224	1249	890	.394	.371	.813	22.7	9.6	3.7	2.7	12.9	.082	-0.1	3.6
2015	NBA	1	28	R.J. Hunter	Georgia State University	45	395	133	46	19	.371	.295	.818	8.8	3.0	1.0	0.4	0.4	.051	-2.0	0.0
2015	NBA	2	33	Jordan Mickey	LSU	64	482	152	128	17	.449	.118	.605	7.5	2.4	2.0	0.3	0.5	.050	-4.8	-0.3
2015	NBA	2	45	Marcus Thornton	William & Mary
Year	Lg	Rd	Pk	Player	College	G	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	WS	WS/48	BPM	VORP
2014	NBA	1	6	Marcus Smart	Oklahoma State	401	11607	3950	1430	1628	.373	.318	.775	28.9	9.9	3.6	4.1	20.7	.086	-0.3	5.0
2014	NBA	1	17	James Young

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by resilient part 2

[NYRaider]

If Miami wins the title they'd be the only team in modern NBA history other than the Pistons with only 1 player on their roster that has ever been an All-NBA player. 

[resilient part 2]

2 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

If Miami wins the title they'd be the only team in modern NBA history other than the Pistons with only 1 player on their roster that has ever been an All-NBA player. 

so now you are arguing for me.. thanks..

[NYRaider]

Just now, resilient part 2 said:

It's like you don't see anything else.. 4 lottery picks which is 5 (Kyrie trade for number PLUS these draft picks PLUS # max players. > all of those teams combined...

 

With those first round picks you've had 1 that's had 1 season good enough to be an All-NBA performer. And of those 4 max contract players you've signed Kyrie had 1 All-NBA season before he got to Boston and 1 with Boston, Horford had 1 All-NBA season before he got to Boston and 0 with Boston, Hayward had 0 All-NBA seasons before he got to Boston and 0 with Boston, and Kemba had 1 All-NBA season before he got to Boston and didn't make it in his 1 year in Boston. 

[resilient part 2]

7 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

With those first round picks you've had 1 that's had 1 season good enough to be an All-NBA performer. And of those 4 max contract players you've signed Kyrie had 1 All-NBA season before he got to Boston and 1 with Boston, Horford had 1 All-NBA season before he got to Boston and 0 with Boston, Hayward had 0 All-NBA seasons before he got to Boston and 0 with Boston, and Kemba had 1 All-NBA season before he got to Boston and didn't make it in his 1 year in Boston. 

that is PROOF on my side of the argument.. he can't coach or develop anyone outside of high lottery picks.. and he has 22 chances to just get a few right.. #patheticagain 

Edited September 19, 2020 by resilient part 2

[NYRaider]

3 minutes ago, resilient part 2 said:

that is PROOF on my side of the argument.. he can't coach or develop anyone outside of high lottery picks.. and he has 20 chances to just get a few right.. #patheticagain 

Again I think that more so falls on Danny Ainge though. And of the 4 max contract players you signed only one of them was ever the best player on a playoff team that actually won a series and that was Hayward who did it one time in Utah. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by NYRaider

[resilient part 2]

i give up.. waste of time..