Xmad Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 10 hours ago, THE DUKE said: Rhaneys I agree with, I could at least understand that. Troops are literally marching at the point of this meeting, it's gross negligence on Alicent's part, they are at war already. Wrong or right motivations in the beginning, she condemned thousands upon thousands to their deaths because she didn't feel good about it. Gross negligence. Alicent meeting with Rhanerya guarantees her death if revealed "why are you meeting with XYZ" the last person who met in secret with the prince Consort killed a Targaryen and while I'd doubt the king would kill his own mum. He clearly has family issues as Papa Hightower is now unemployed and I'm not sure Aegon knew his dads dads name. Absolutely agree on If she had a brain she could've ended the war but Alicent is not exactly a smart wench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, Fresh Prince said: It also has the same pacing issues people complained about the last two seasons of GOT. One scene Rhaneyra is at dragonstone, and the next she’s at KL. She can’t take her dragon so it would have took weeks I’m assuming. The /=/ do we should the travel /=/ what point does the travel bring to the story /=/ is a lot of story time that makes some sense and they'll show it when it's a cool and useful scene (Circumcision Cole and Alicent's soon to be crispy brother) but other than that. Do we really wanna spend a 3-5 minute scene with Rharnerya planning out her sneaking into King's Landing. Really feel like they missed the opportunity to have Daemon escort her in and have him get noticed or something but he's elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On 7/1/2024 at 11:13 AM, THE DUKE said: I'm on the flip side of this, that scene with Alicent and Rhaneyra was ludicrous. 30 seconds after Alicent isn't at knifepoint the city should have been locked down, Rhaneyra captured and executed, war over. This was even worse than Rhaneys not ending things, and is directly responsible for the upcoming tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of deaths that will happen in the coming war. Gross negligence isn't a captivating plot point. That wouldn't have ended the war at all. If anything it would make it worse and you'd have Jace or Daemon not only as leader but heir and they aren't hesitating to do ****. They sure as hell wouldn't just well ok Greens have won. You all miss that she still cares for her friend. No matter how tense things have ever gotten she's always still cared about Rhaenyra, she isn't going to just consign her to death like that when it serves no purpose 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, mse326 said: That wouldn't have ended the war at all. If anything it would make it worse and you'd have Jace or Daemon not only as leader but heir and they aren't hesitating to do ****. They sure as hell wouldn't just well ok Greens have won. You all miss that she still cares for her friend. No matter how tense things have ever gotten she's always still cared about Rhaenyra, she isn't going to just consign her to death like that when it serves no purpose Hold her hostage then, same difference. Come to terms that are favorable to the Greens. Capturing a head of state is a war winning action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 hours ago, THE DUKE said: Hold her hostage then, same difference. Come to terms that are favorable to the Greens. Capturing a head of state is a war winning action. Joffrey Baratheon, second of the baratheon line. "He orders Ser Ilyn Payne to bring him Eddard's head. While this understandably horrifies Sansa, who vehemently begs for her father's life, it also horrifies both Cersei and the Small Council as they know it will lead to another war. Cersei desperately begs her son to reconsider his sentence, and Varys runs to the king as well. Joffrey refuses to listen and Payne carries out the order, beheading Eddard with his own greatsword and causing Sansa to faint from shock.[11] True enough, Joffrey's impetuous action causes the North to rise in outrage with Ned's oldest son calling the banners and declaring war.[12]" Ruh roh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 hours ago, Xmad said: Joffrey Baratheon, second of the baratheon line. "He orders Ser Ilyn Payne to bring him Eddard's head. While this understandably horrifies Sansa, who vehemently begs for her father's life, it also horrifies both Cersei and the Small Council as they know it will lead to another war. Cersei desperately begs her son to reconsider his sentence, and Varys runs to the king as well. Joffrey refuses to listen and Payne carries out the order, beheading Eddard with his own greatsword and causing Sansa to faint from shock.[11] True enough, Joffrey's impetuous action causes the North to rise in outrage with Ned's oldest son calling the banners and declaring war.[12]" Ruh roh. That's why I revised to capturing instead of executing. They could have got some wards/hostages if they had Rhaneyra to bargain with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, THE DUKE said: That's why I revised to capturing instead of executing. They could have got some wards/hostages if they had Rhaneyra to bargain with. In an alternate universe where Rhanerya was executed I'd imagine it'd end up with Baela and the targaryen line end up being the first version of the blackfyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 5 hours ago, THE DUKE said: That's why I revised to capturing instead of executing. They could have got some wards/hostages if they had Rhaneyra to bargain with. Arresting Eddard and holding Sansa and Arya hostage didn't keep Robb Stark and the north from declaring war. I don't see how capturing Rhaenyra would keep Daemon and Jace from doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 55 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Arresting Eddard and holding Sansa and Arya hostage didn't keep Robb Stark and the north from declaring war. I don't see how capturing Rhaenyra would keep Daemon and Jace from doing the same. They had all the advantages of legitimacy, the longer he stays king without dragon warfare, the more entrenched they would have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 21 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Arresting Eddard and holding Sansa and Arya hostage didn't keep Robb Stark and the north from declaring war. I don't see how capturing Rhaenyra would keep Daemon and Jace from doing the same. Daemon and friends are getting every dragon rider in the family and burning kings landing. 20 hours ago, THE DUKE said: They had all the advantages of legitimacy, the longer he stays king without dragon warfare, the more entrenched they would have been. Aegon like all young rulers who don't listen to their experienced counselors and appoint their friends to position of powers (making barely competent young knights his new kingsguard who don't care about tradition.....) uh well. I'd give him three months tops before he dies a horrible death in dragon battle. Wouldn't be surprised if he fell off mid flight because his squire forgot to do the straps on his dragon saddle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 23 hours ago, THE DUKE said: They had all the advantages of legitimacy, the longer he stays king without dragon warfare, the more entrenched they would have been. Okay, sure. But how is that different than the North declaring war in the other scenario? Jeffrey was just as, if not more, entrenched as Aegon and it still started a civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 12 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Okay, sure. But how is that different than the North declaring war in the other scenario? Jeffrey was just as, if not more, entrenched as Aegon and it still started a civil war. A dance of the dragons if you will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Xmad said: A dance of the dragons if you will. Or a clash of kings, so to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 hour ago, seminoles1 said: Or a clash of kings, so to speak. Daemon vs. Aegon. A fight for the ages. WE NEED MORE DRAGON COMBAT HOTD CMON. Oh well we get the next best thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acgott Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 I’m devastated. She was the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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