Scoundrel Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 This ones for you @MWil23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: This ones for you @MWil23 Who cares, he's a loser in the game of life and has a horse face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFLukic Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Well assuming it is true and they did turn up hungover, yeah it's unprofessional, but regulating conduct like that and trying to impose penalties is definitely getting far too invasive, not to mention almost impossible actually police. At the end of the day, it's the management of a football team - there's no duty or obligation owed to society as large nor is there any real purpose other than to entertain, win games and turn a profit/remain financially viable. Quite different to say a lawyer's or a doctor's ethical duties to their clients/patients where there can be very significant consequences for negligence and/or failures to meet professional standards and thus require strict punitive measures to ensure compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Who cares, he's a loser in the game of life and has a horse face Hold your bitter, baby girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, WFLukic said: Well assuming it is true and they did turn up hungover, yeah it's unprofessional, but regulating conduct like that and trying to impose penalties is definitely getting far too invasive, not to mention almost impossible actually police. At the end of the day, it's the management of a football team - there's no duty or obligation owed to society as large nor is there any real purpose other than to entertain, win games and turn a profit/remain financially viable. Quite different to say a lawyer's or a doctor's ethical duties to their clients/patients where there can be very significant consequences for negligence and/or failures to meet professional standards and thus require strict punitive measures to ensure compliance. It was unprofessional. And John needs to do better. At least he isn’t GM anymore. I’d be surprised if most of us here have never shown up for work hungover... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, WFLukic said: Well assuming it is true and they did turn up hungover, yeah it's unprofessional, but regulating conduct like that and trying to impose penalties is definitely getting far too invasive, not to mention almost impossible actually police. Not at all. That's basic HR practice and cause for any lawsuit for discriminatory workplace practice. It doesn't even have to be about ethnicity. 2 minutes ago, WFLukic said: At the end of the day, it's the management of a football team - there's no duty or obligation owed to society as large nor is there any real purpose other than to entertain, win games and turn a profit/remain financially viable. Except for the whole hiring process thing 2 minutes ago, WFLukic said: Quite different to say a lawyer's or a doctor's ethical duties to their clients/patients where there can be very significant consequences for negligence and/or failures to meet professional standards and thus require strict punitive measures to ensure compliance. Fair or not, if you neglect the process, there are absolutely punitive consequences for not following through on the hiring process in ANY line of work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 56 minutes ago, Scoundrel said: This is the thing that is going to get overlooked in all this The thing where they dumped the black coach after a 1 game improvement his second season but kept the white coach after a two game regression in his second season? We can spin this any way we want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Jlash said: The thing where they dumped the black coach after a 1 game improvement his second season but kept the white coach after a two game regression in his second season? We can spin this any way we want. Anyone can spin anything anyway they want. Vance Joseph and Vic Fangio both sucked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jlash Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Got a couple draft crushes going. Can't wait to reach and have them not pan out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, WFLukic said: The Rooney Rule is one of those things that in theory is a lot better than it is in practice. It sucks for Flores to go to that interview with the Broncos, but if the Broncos are set on Fangio, then it's just the way things are. People turn up to job interviews where another candidate is a shoo-in for the job and it's a waste of their time and I don't think this is particularly different. I mean what's the alternative? Force teams to hire black coaches against their will? I really don't see what's wrong with a gentleman's agreement either - if you have a specific direction you want to go in and a coach you're all in on them, why does there need to be further interviews? Heck, the Broncos literally hired Vance Joseph prior to Vic Fangio who is a black coach. That part of the lawsuit is garbage and race baiting, I'm sorry. Again sucks for Flores and it makes a mockery of the Rooney Rule, but there's no racism there at all. The Ross stuff is remarkable if true though. Definitely cause to lose the team. I don't disagree with any of this on its own, but part of the point of the Rooney rule is to give minority coaches opportunities, even if the team is already set on a specific candidate. A lot of these guys wouldn't get interviews at all prior to this, not even sham ones. Whether it's had any sort of appreciable impact on the number of black coaches/FO people hired is very much up in the air. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, MWil23 said: I don't inherently disagree with this to a point. That said, Elway showing up late and hungover is beyond unprofessional and he needs to be held accountable for that. I view it more as unprofessional than overtly racist...and it's absolutely ignorant. This is the same issue I had with the Browns being accused of not following the Rooney Rule when they hired Stefanski. We are talking about an organization who had just hired Hue Jackson, who hired Romeo Crennel a while back, who at the time had just had Ray Farmer and Sashi Brown as their GMs, and now has Andrew Berry and just lost a great FO guy to the Vikings in Adofo Mensah. However, I'm going to dunk on John Elway any chance that I get. If that's true, he needs to be held accountable for sheer professionalism. The Ross stuff coupled with the NY Giants handling of the situation is absolutely cause for significant lawsuit issues. I think, and @Ragnarok can correct me here on this if I'm wrong, for Flores it's all about the "DISCOVERY" portion of this. This is going to largely be tried in the court of public opinion and is all about the information coming out, while hopefully paving the way for future amendments/fixes to various policies that are in place. It's not going to be about the settlement or "winning", because he's already won the court of public opinion and the NFL is going to have to release a TON of stuff about this, and I'm here for it. Basically yes. Similar to the lawsuit Gruden filed, they are trying to get access to email, texts, voicemail, etc. They have to prove that their case has a leg to stand on for a judge to allow expansive discovery to go forward. Partially cause its a pain for the defendant, especially in this case, and partially cause its insanely expensive. A judge also can decide what information found in discovery can become public knowledge and what can get sealed. Basically, Flores filed this in the hopes he has enough preliminary info to make enough of a reasonable case for a judge to allow discovery. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, Blue said: I don't disagree with any of this on its own, but part of the point of the Rooney rule is to give minority coaches opportunities, even if the team is already set on a specific candidate. A lot of these guys wouldn't get interviews at all prior to this, not even sham ones. Whether it's had any sort of appreciable impact on the number of black coaches/FO people hired is very much up in the air. 100% my take as well. It's very similar (for completely different reasons) to my school automatically giving a qualified alumni an interview. It doesn't mean that they'll get the job by any means, but it gives them the valuable experience to go through that process and by doing so also even the opportunity to network elsewhere. For example, my school interviewed an alum once who they knew wouldn't get the job, but they were able to then call up a friend in another district and say "HIRE HIM, he's great." Networking happens everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 holy **** Hue Jackson is apparently claiming he was paid to tank too, would explain how he got a second season in Cleveland 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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