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Rtnldave Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 11/22/2023 at 8:31 AM, D82 said: What is WPA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Rtnldave said: What is WPA? Win Probability Added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtnldave Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 10 hours ago, D82 said: Win Probability Added. What in the hell is that? Some algorithmic equation that determines the probability of a win with every passing play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDsportsfan Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rtnldave said: What in the hell is that? Some algorithmic equation that determines the probability of a win with every passing play? I said this in this or another thread. Some of these guys seem to be really reaching with some of these stats. I don't know how to describe it. It's like they are trying way too hard to make a point. It's like they're making ish up. At the end of the day, it's about w's and L's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, HDsportsfan said: I said this in this or another thread. Some of these guys seem to be really reaching with some of these stats. I don't know how to describe it. It's like they are trying way too hard to make a point. It's like they're making ish up. At the end of the day, it's about w's and L's. Do you realize how incredibly old and out of touch you are to say this. Like, EPA, WPA, AV, stops, these stats have existed for over a decade… ”At the end of the day it’s about w’s and L’s”, like okay, then 31/32 teams are ending the year in disappointment- either a defeat or a win that hurts their draft position. We have to talk about things in the margins, otherwise what’s the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDsportsfan Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, matt79511 said: Do you realize how incredibly old and out of touch you are to say this. Like, EPA, WPA, AV, stops, these stats have existed for over a decade… ”At the end of the day it’s about w’s and L’s”, like okay, then 31/32 teams are ending the year in disappointment- either a defeat or a win that hurts their draft position. We have to talk about things in the margins, otherwise what’s the point Get the F off my lawn 🤣. Old maybe, out of touch I disagree. I still believe a lot of it still comes down to the eye ball test. EDIT: I'm not a scout, placing bets, or FF. Much of those numbers just seem to be fluff. What good is WR seperation rate when many times it's not the same DB covering. o many variables come into play. DB slips, blown coverages, etc. Are those variables factored in? Edited November 24, 2023 by HDsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted November 24, 2023 Author Share Posted November 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, HDsportsfan said: Get the F off my lawn 🤣. Old maybe, out of touch I disagree. I still believe a lot of it still comes down to the eye ball test. EDIT: I'm not a scout, placing bets, or FF. Much of those numbers just seem to be fluff. What good is WR seperation rate when many times it's not the same DB covering. o many variables come into play. DB slips, blown coverages, etc. Are those variables factored in? "Old man shouts at cloud...." 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDsportsfan Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, D82 said: "Old man shouts at cloud...." 🙃 HaHa....don't forget the shaking fist in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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textaz03 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 If DaRon Bland scores another touchdown in the final six games, he'll set the NFL record for most defensive touchdowns in a season. We're in uncharted territory. He's the DPOY to this point. https://x.com/bobbybelttx/status/1727891064734806036?s=46&t=ktd6JTByZwOAf6VhdnN4wg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 22 minutes ago, HDsportsfan said: Get the F off my lawn 🤣. Old maybe, out of touch I disagree. I still believe a lot of it still comes down to the eye ball test. EDIT: I'm not a scout, placing bets, or FF. Much of those numbers just seem to be fluff. What good is WR seperation rate when many times it's not the same DB covering. o many variables come into play. DB slips, blown coverages, etc. Are those variables factored in? You know, I hear what you’re saying, and I do think these stats have their flaws. EPA/play for instance I think is a team offense stat that people try to wholly assign to the QB. But to not know what EPA stands for is definitely not with the times. As far as DBs slipping affecting WR separation rates, well, doesn’t the WR get credit for juking them? Idk. Advanced stats in football will probably always be imperfect because there are more variables (players on the field) compared to other sports, you’ll always be trying to quantify subjectivity. Doesn’t mean we should refute the numbers, just try our best to take them in context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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