detfan782004 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, Old Guy said: As a Packer fan who watched them sit Rodgers for 3 years, then Love, it works. Allowing Hooker to sit another year and learn is not a bad idea. If Goff gets you to a Super Bowl next year, extend him. If he plays well, and organization isn't seeing it with Hooker, extend Goff then. I think this whole, "window," stuff is bull crap. Your window is as long as you have a talented roster and a decent QB. Margin for error is a lot smaller when your QB is eating up a ton of cap space though. Love and Hooker are not same. You are not sitting a young guy. Love was like 21. Hooker closer to 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 6 hours ago, detfan782004 said: Love and Hooker are not same. You are not sitting a young guy. Love was like 21. Hooker closer to 30 Fair point, but if Hooker can play, read defenses and get the ball out on time, he can still play 13-15 years in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detfan782004 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 30 minutes ago, Old Guy said: Fair point, but if Hooker can play, read defenses and get the ball out on time, he can still play 13-15 years in the league. So avg QB careeer is like 4.5 years ish. they are considered last prime around 35. But somehow Hooker can play until he's 39-41? And 2-3x past avg QB career? Favre played til 41 Brees til 42 Moon til 43 Brady til 45 So Hooker is going to be on that level of play? Because that's level of play it takes for longevity at QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, detfan782004 said: So avg QB careeer is like 4.5 years ish. they are considered last prime around 35. But somehow Hooker can play until he's 39-41? And 2-3x past avg QB career? Favre played til 41 Brees til 42 Moon til 43 Brady til 45 So Hooker is going to be on that level of play? Because that's level of play it takes for longevity at QB Good quarterbacks are playing longer: Cousins, Rodgers, Stafford, R. Wilson. My point is you don't know what you have in Hooker. If he turns out to be a good quarterback, he can easily lead the team for 10 years plus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Want A Title Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, Old Guy said: Good quarterbacks are playing longer: Cousins, Rodgers, Stafford, R. Wilson. My point is you don't know what you have in Hooker. If he turns out to be a good quarterback, he can easily lead the team for 10 years plus. You make a good point about QB age. The NFL protects QBs a lot more than today than it used to. Kirk Cousins was quietly having a pretty good season despite being 34 years old until he tore his ACL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detfan782004 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 9 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said: You make a good point about QB age. The NFL protects QBs a lot more than today than it used to. Kirk Cousins was quietly having a pretty good season despite being 34 years old until he tore his ACL. 34 is not 39. Not resigning Goff and thinking Hooker is the answer would be a typical Lions move. People say Detroit is a different organization and the Goff deal will show if they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, detfan782004 said: 34 is not 39. Not resigning Goff and thinking Hooker is the answer would be a typical Lions move. People say Detroit is a different organization and the Goff deal will show if they are Possibly on the Goff signing. He's under contract next year and you guys are in good shape cap wise. Let him play next year and maybe extend him midway through the year if he's in the midst of another really good year. I also understand the reality is, he's going to want long-term security and want a new deal this off season. He's played really, really well in Johnson's system. I hate this term, but is he a system quarterback? In fairness, he played well enough to beat San Francisco last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detfan782004 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 7 minutes ago, Old Guy said: Possibly on the Goff signing. He's under contract next year and you guys are in good shape cap wise. Let him play next year and maybe extend him midway through the year if he's in the midst of another really good year. I also understand the reality is, he's going to want long-term security and want a new deal this off season. He's played really, really well in Johnson's system. I hate this term, but is he a system quarterback? In fairness, he played well enough to beat San Francisco last week. System QB? His best years weren't even in this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idoubtit Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 One thing to consider on QB age is mileage. In most sports the body develops faster than the brain. Then the body wears out just as the brain is starting to really click. At 26 Hooker has 45 games of college ball but none as a pro. A QB who started in the NFL at 22 might have a similar number of games so the question with regard to longevity might be the difference between 45 college games vs 45 NFL games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, idoubtit said: One thing to consider on QB age is mileage. In most sports the body develops faster than the brain. Then the body wears out just as the brain is starting to really click. At 26 Hooker has 45 games of college ball but none as a pro. A QB who started in the NFL at 22 might have a similar number of games so the question with regard to longevity might be the difference between 45 college games vs 45 NFL games. Excellent point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detfan782004 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, idoubtit said: One thing to consider on QB age is mileage. In most sports the body develops faster than the brain. Then the body wears out just as the brain is starting to really click. At 26 Hooker has 45 games of college ball but none as a pro. A QB who started in the NFL at 22 might have a similar number of games so the question with regard to longevity might be the difference between 45 college games vs 45 NFL games. Age is age. Time it takes to recover at 22 from game vs 26 is substantial. It's not just wear and tear. It's literally age. Some (very few) QBs have defied age in NFL but it's rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detfan782004 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, detfan782004 said: System QB? His best years weren't even in this system. Outside of a slight comp % difference 2017 and 2018 are his best seasons. While he struggled in SB that one year his best football has not been in Detroit. The last two years rank behind those two seasons in LA Point being he has played at this level in 2 systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, detfan782004 said: System QB? His best years weren't even in this system. You can't tell me you haven't heard this about Goff before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detfan782004 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, Old Guy said: You can't tell me you haven't heard this about Goff before? It's an uneducated statement. Facts disprove this theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idoubtit Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 44 minutes ago, detfan782004 said: Age is age. Time it takes to recover at 22 from game vs 26 is substantial. It's not just wear and tear. It's literally age. Some (very few) QBs have defied age in NFL but it's rare. Not sure what you are saying. Of course age matters. But to say that wear and tear does not matter is factually incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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