BetterCallSaul Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Stats aside, what defense is the most talentless? I know Denver is the worst statistically, but there is legitimate talent on the roster. Colts? Saints? Pats? Vikings? Bears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperX22 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 What talent are you referring to on that Denver defense outside of Surtain? Also what are the Saints and a couple others doing on this list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, CasperX22 said: What talent are you referring to on that Denver defense outside of Surtain? Also what are the Saints and a couple others doing on this list? Denver has some dudes. Zach Allen, Surtain, Simmons, Jackson (both S are old, but good), Sanders, DJ Jones, Moss, and Browning. That isn’t “worst in the NFL” to me. Their DL is bad at the EDGE position, but that’s really the weak spot. They’re solid—or young & talented—everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CasperX22 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 We'll agree to disagree there. Surtain and Allen are good, but the rest are pretty easily replaceable. That said Arizona's roster is pretty devoid of talent outside of their safeties and edge guys. Still better than what Denver has. Vegas is pretty bad too as is the Giants, but both are still better than Denver and Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Saints and Pats don’t even deserve a mention, the disrespect. It’s between Arizona, Minnesota, and LV, IMO. All of them have one very good/great player (Crosby, Hunter, Budda) and then a bunch of JAGs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Likely Arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 I like Arizona’s young talent. They just have no base. Huge fan of Stills, Pappoe, Kei’Trel, Ojulari, C. Thomas, S. Thomas, and I also like Jalen Thompson & Zaven Collins. They desperately need a #1 cornerback and another interior. They have good bones, but no real beast up front. I view the “health” of their future defense to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Raiders… It’s Maxx and a bunch of randoms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Soko said: Saints and Pats don’t even deserve a mention, the disrespect. It’s between Arizona, Minnesota, and LV, IMO. All of them have one very good/great player (Crosby, Hunter, Budda) and then a bunch of JAGs. Flores really doing yeoman's work there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Arizona, probably. Followed by Las Vegas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 5 hours ago, Steelersfan43 said: Likely Arizona ...and it's not close. NYGs, Carolina, and LACh round out the bottom four. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.UFO Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) I would say the Bears. They have no pass rush, both their starting defensive tackles are castoffs from other teams, and their unit as a whole made Jordan Love look like he actually knew what he was doing. I don't know why the Saints and Patriots were used as examples by the OP. Their problem is offense (especially NE), not defense. The Patriots D may have slipped a little, but a lot of that is losing edge defender Matt Judon to IR. Edited November 9, 2023 by Mr.UFO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandInches Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) Can’t believe no one has mentioned them but it’s the rams. Not sure if AD has lost a step or it’s the talent around him but ya, they are bad. Young looks nice, but the rest are mid. Very few players that can make big plays. Edited November 9, 2023 by 4thandInches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Las Vegas or Arizona hands down. On Vegas, I can name Crosby. On Arizona, I can name Budda. The rest a just a bunch of JAGs. In all seriousness though the Raiders have some guys with potential, there's a few guys on each of those teams beyond those singular players I can name, BUT the point I am/was getting at, is they're the two worst teams defensively in terms of overall talent on defense. Deablo, Hobbs, Moehrig, & Wilson for the Raiders, at this point, barely move that needle imo For Arizona, Collins might be the only other dude with relevance on that defense... okay I convinced myself while typing this out... It's the Arizona Lame Ducks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Dr A W Niloc said: LAC Not sure if I could call a unit fielding Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Derwin James, and an emerging Alohi Gilman close to the worst. I think their issue has been moreso coaching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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