BetterCallSaul Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 On 1/13/2024 at 2:56 PM, Ozzy said: TE Kellen Winslow Jr / Aaron Hernandez Yikes...not sure which one is a worse person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) A lot of 2007/2008 were before I watched players. I relied heavily on draft magazines or this website or WalterFootball when I was in high school. I have to say though looking through every player of every round going back to ‘07, I have a great track record overall. Here are the misses that I was WAY wrong on either thinking they would be so much better or I didn’t see them being as good as they became. I assure you that despite all the awful misevaluations or wrong instincts based off non-evaluations in the earliest years, I have a LOT more accurate evaluations and hidden gems than awful busts or missed opportunities. * = much better than I thought QB: Mason Rudolph/John Beck/Mark Sanchez/Geno Smith*/Jake Locker/Jimmy Clausen/Matt Barkley/Zac Dysert/Greg McElroy RB: Eddie Lacy/Brian Leonard/Tashard Choice FB: Jorvorski Lane OT: David Bakhtiari*/Nate Solder*/Jonathan Martin/Eric Fisher/Matt Kalil OG: Michael Jordan/Danny Watkins/Chance Warmack OC: Matt Tennant/Brian Schwenke WR: Stephen Hill/Tavon Austin/Cordarrelle Patterson/Justin Hunter/James Hardy/Malcolm Kelly/Limas Sweed/Brian Robiskie/Dwayne Jarrett/Michael Floyd/Rueben Randle TE: Dwayne Allen/David Thomas/Brad Cottam DE: Ricky Sapp/Vernon Gholston/Shea McClellin/Gaines Adams/Jason Pierre-Paul*/Bruce Irvin*/Jared Crick DT: Marvin Austin/Sharrif Floyd LB: Aaron Curry/Larry English/Manti Te’o/Jamie Collins* CB: Antoine Cason/Brandon Ghee/Dwayne Gratz/Logan Ryan* S: Myron Rolle/Tom Zbikowski/Mark Barron/Michael Hamlin/TJ McDonald Stopping at 2013 for now. Edited February 15 by DoleINGout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I'm sure i've missed some big ones. And obviously excluded guys that i was absolutely convinced would suck, who turned out to be superstars. lol. QB: Landry Jones, Jeff Matthews, Clayton Thorson. RB: Antonio Andrews, Ka'Deem Carey. WR: Kevin White, Laquon Treadwell, Donte Moncrief. WR: DaeSean Hamilton, Rashad Greene, Ryan Switzer. WR: Greg Childs, Cody Latimer. TE: Ian Thomas, Troy Niklas. LT: TJ Clemmings, Martez Ivey. LG: Jonathan Cooper. OC: Billy Price, Weston Richburg. RG: Danny Watkins. RT: Jason Spriggs. EDGE: Noah Spence, Jeremiah Attaochu. DE: Jaylon Ferguson. DT: Taven Bryan, Robert Nkemdiche, Gabe Wright. NT: Jay Bromley. DT: Dominique Easley, Will Sutton. EDGE: Quincy Roche, Eli Harold, Chris Smith. LB: Malik Jefferson, Sean Porter. LB: Vosean Joseph, Antonio Morrison. CB: Johnthan Banks, Sidney Jones. FS: Obi Melifonwu, Ed Reynolds. SS: Johnathan Abram, Karl Joseph. CB: Darqueze Dennard, Blidi Wreh-Wilson. Some pretty clear themes in certain areas. 😆 Also, certain programs that seem disproportionately represented. lol. Also some guys included who weren't even drafted where it's hard to "bust", but included because i had them as strong Day3 draftable talent at the time, and they amounted to approximately nothing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 This oughtta be fun. The Lions and WRs are so much worse than people even know. Lions; Owner- Male Fords GM - Matt Millen Coach- Matt Patricia/Marty Mornhinweg/Rod Marinelli OC- Joe Lombardi. Easy. DC-Donnie Henderson/Joe Barry/Paul Pasqualoni QB- Andre Ware/Joey Harrington RB- Kevin Jones. Kevin Smith. Michael LeShoure. Jahvid Best. Ameer Abdulla. Kerryon Johnson WR- Mike Williams. Charles Rogers. Titus Young. Ryan Broyles. Mark Nichols. John Ford. Roy Williams (not as bad) Maybe Jameson Williams? TE- Brandon Pettigrew. Eric Ebron. OT- Gosder Cherilus. Aaron Gibson. Lions have hit decently at OT. OG- Laken Tomlinson, Logan Stenberg C- Travis Swanson EDGE - Reggie Rogers! Ziggy Ansah. Ikaika Alama-Francis, Kalimba Edwards, Jared DeVries, DT- Levi Onwuzurike, Nick Fairly, Shaun Cody LB - Jahlani Tavai (in Detroit), Kyle Van Noy (In Detroit) Jarrad Davis, Jordan Dizon (one of the biggest reaches in draft history), Ernie Sims, Boss Bailey, Barrett Green CB- Jeff Okudah, Teez Tabor, Amari Spievey, Bryant Westbrook, Kevin Abrams S- Daniel Bullocks I guess? Injury. Lions don't appear to have busted hard at guard safety, but the reality is that they drafted out of position and switched guys around... THEN they busted. Our favorite move is to draft a slow corner and unsuccesfully convert them to safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 18 hours ago, Tugboat said: Rashad Greene, Ryan Switzer. Same girl. I thought Rashad Greene was gonna be a stud muffin. He was not even a dud muffin. He was a dud shart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 47 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: Same girl. I thought Rashad Greene was gonna be a stud muffin. He was not even a dud muffin. He was a dud shart. I was so stoked when the Jaguars snagged him where they did. Thought it was an absolutely huge steal. 😆 He's one of those ones though, where i'm not even entirely sure what specifically went wrong. A lot of those whiffs, it's pretty clear what i missed in retrospect. But with Greene, i guess it was just sorta...one of those guys who was "pretty good at everything" but not "great at anything"? Still kind of weird to me that he didn't at least catch on as a solid long term WR3 type. Edited February 16 by Tugboat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Oh wait I misunderstood. I don't want to delete that whole post though. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTTRUTH Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 QB: Sam Darnold / Blaine Gabbert / Marcus Mariota / Teddy B. RB: David Wilson / Ben Tate / Duke Johnson / Ke’Shawn Vaughn / Bryce Love / Adam Muema WR: Michael Floyd / DeVante Parker / Josh Doctson / Corey Coleman / Justin Hunter / Terrace Marshall / N’Keal Harry TE: Maxx Williams / Jermaine Gresham / Jace Amaro OT: Jonah Williams / Isaiah Wynn / Liam Eichenberg (+G?) / Greg Robinson OG: Dorian Johnson / Michael Deiter / Parker Ehinger / OC: Peter Konz / Nick Martin / Pat Elflein DE: Shaq Lawson / Derrick Harvey / Corenellius Carradine / Ronnie Perkins / Jaylon Ferguson / DT: Timmy Jernigan / Ross Blacklock / Jared Odrick / Maurice Hurst / Tommy Togiai LB: Kenneth Murray / Devin Bush / Blair Brown / Dorian O’Daniel CB: Vernon Hargreaves / Kelvin Joseph / Teez Tabor / Joshua Jackson / Justin Layne S: Matt Elam / Calvin Pryor / JT Woods / Ibrahim Campbell (*I have to start avoiding Florida DBs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 6 hours ago, RTTRUTH said: QB: Sam Darnold / Blaine Gabbert / Marcus Mariota / Teddy B. RB: David Wilson / Ben Tate / Duke Johnson / Ke’Shawn Vaughn / Bryce Love / Adam Muema WR: Michael Floyd / DeVante Parker / Josh Doctson / Corey Coleman / Justin Hunter / Terrace Marshall / N’Keal Harry TE: Maxx Williams / Jermaine Gresham / Jace Amaro OT: Jonah Williams / Isaiah Wynn / Liam Eichenberg (+G?) / Greg Robinson OG: Dorian Johnson / Michael Deiter / Parker Ehinger / OC: Peter Konz / Nick Martin / Pat Elflein DE: Shaq Lawson / Derrick Harvey / Corenellius Carradine / Ronnie Perkins / Jaylon Ferguson / DT: Timmy Jernigan / Ross Blacklock / Jared Odrick / Maurice Hurst / Tommy Togiai LB: Kenneth Murray / Devin Bush / Blair Brown / Dorian O’Daniel CB: Vernon Hargreaves / Kelvin Joseph / Teez Tabor / Joshua Jackson / Justin Layne S: Matt Elam / Calvin Pryor / JT Woods / Ibrahim Campbell (*I have to start avoiding Florida DBs) I was very much considering throwing Kenneth Murray on mine. I thought he was going to be such a stud. But i left him off for some bigger whiffs at LBer. Guys who didn't even become...serviceable long-term starters. He was so dynamic in college though. One of those ones where i'm not really sure why he hasn't translated tbh. I feel like we also share a weakness for Florida players who bust. For no apparent reason. For me it's more the trenches guys and dudes in the box. But same difference. Sketchy, misleading school imo. It's not us, it's Florida. lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluther Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 QB: Josh Freeman HB: Knowshon Moreno, LaMichael James, DeAnthony Thomas WR: Dwayne Jarrett, Troy Edwards, Devin Thomas TE: OJ Howard, Mauritz Boehringer OT: Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu iOL: Bruce Campbell, Josh Garnett, Garrett Bradberry -- Edge: Shawn Oakman, Jarvis Moss iDL: Nick Fairley, Vernon Butler LB: Playboy Rivers, Ernie Sims, Reggie Ragland CB: Jeff Okudah, Andrew Booth Jr S: Michael Huff, Taylor Mays, Isaiah Simmons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texansfan713 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) QB: David Carr RB: Tony Hollings WR: DeVier Posey, Jaelen Strong, Will Fuller TE: Bennie Joppru, Kahale Warring, C.J. Fiedorowicz OT: Martinas Rankin, Max Scharping iOL: Xavier Su'a-Filo, Nick Martin EDGE: Jason Babin, Jadaveon Clowney iDL: Amobi Okoye, Travis Johnson, Ross Blacklock LB: Antwan Peek CB: Brandon Harris, Kevin Johnson, Lonnie Johnson S: DJ Swearinger Edited February 22 by Texansfan713 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 hours ago, Duluther said: QB: Josh Freeman HB: Knowshon Moreno, LaMichael James, DeAnthony Thomas WR: Dwayne Jarrett, Troy Edwards, Devin Thomas TE: OJ Howard, Mauritz Boehringer OT: Evan Neal, Ikem Ekwonu iOL: Bruce Campbell, Josh Garnett, Garrett Bradberry -- Edge: Shawn Oakman, Jarvis Moss iDL: Nick Fairley, Vernon Butler LB: Playboy Rivers, Ernie Sims, Reggie Ragland CB: Jeff Okudah, Andrew Booth Jr S: Michael Huff, Taylor Mays, Isaiah Simmons I don't even know who this is. But if you thought a guy with that name was gonna work out, that one's on you man. 😆 41 minutes ago, Texansfan713 said: QB: David Carr RB: Tony Hollings WR: DeVier Posey, Jaelen Strong, Will Fuller TE: Bennie Joppru, Kahale Warring, C.J. Fiedorowicz OT: Martinas Rankin, Max Scharping iOL: Xavier Su'a-Filo, Nick Martin EDGE: Jason Babin, Jadaveon Clowney iDL: Amobi Okoye, Travis Johnson, Ross Blacklock LB: Antwan Peek CB: Brandon Harris, Kevin Johnson, Lonnie Johnson S: DJ Swearinger I don't know that Babin was even really a miss. He had some darn productive years as a wide 9 sort of pass rush specialist. Basically the opposite of Clowney, who is obviously a huge bust relative to expectations...but has actually carved out a halfway decent career for himself as the opposite of a pass rush specialist. Which i don't think anybody really saw coming. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 23 Author Share Posted February 23 My son. -Joe Woods Sr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duluther Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 4 hours ago, Tugboat said: I don't even know who this is. But if you thought a guy with that name was gonna work out, that one's on you man. 😆 Keith Rivers, a late 00's 1st round USC LB; most noteable for having his jaw broken by a Hines Ward crack-back block. Playboy is a throwback to when a FootballsFuture user, who was obsessed with Keith Rivers, called other users "playboy." 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 29 minutes ago, Duluther said: Keith Rivers, a late 00's 1st round USC LB; most noteable for having his jaw broken by a Hines Ward crack-back block. Playboy is a throwback to when a FootballsFuture user, who was obsessed with Keith Rivers, called other users "playboy." lol. That's well before my time. Fun anecdote though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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