Tank4Drake Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: Tomlin has done the most with the least IMO. Harbaugh close behind. I think the top 2 are a coin flip, but people are crapping on Tomlin unfairly. He isn’t the GM. How is “losing to teams that are significantly better than you” a black mark? His teams, especially post-Ben, have been crazy overachievers. This years Steelers team should have been picking top 5. Instead, they made the playoffs. I hate PIT more than terrorism, but cmon. Acting like HC’s don’t have a big say is the roster is definitely inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 17 hours ago, -Hope- said: imo, pete carroll is being underrated here as a guy who is part of a very exclusive club of coaches with a CFB national championship and a super bowl ring. I guess I just thought we were considering NFL results. But even then, if coaches excel in the NFL I think most of these guys would excel in college. I look at Harbaugh and Tomlin and know with how they can all motivate a team and consistently reinvent their messages that they would make for great recruiters and motivators and would be able to build strong college programs and similarly win a championship in that era. Now Payton, I’m not sure about, he’d generate a great college offense, but would his defense be good enough to win? He also demands players execute his system or he acts petulant and I can see college kids not wanting any part of how he operates. McCarthy, I’m not sure enough about as a college coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 22 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: Because those guys had a chance to win it all, which is what matters. McCarthy had a chance to win it 2011-2014. And this year. Payton had a chance to win it most years. Tomlin has not actually had a chance to win a Super Bowl since the 2011 season. These teams are all fluff. What are you talking about. The results disagree. They were such contenders that they had only one Conference Championship win? People considered Dallas to be a SB contender this season until they got trampled in the first round by a 7th seed. They were a paper tigers. Tomlin has the most championships wins here, so his teams proved to be contenders more often than the other coaches here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 On 1/18/2024 at 1:10 PM, Ray Reed said: Sean Payton had a top 10ish QB of all time and has less playoff wins than John Harbaugh in more seasons, and Payton has never won a playoff game outside of the Superdome. Harbaugh has 7 road playoff wins for comparison. Payton's reg season win % is .620, Harbaugh's is .618. Payton has done nothing outside of Brees. Harvaugh had crazy success with Flacco and then completely reinvented the team under Lamar and has still been great. I'm struggling with understanding how most people put Payton above Harbaugh at this point Struggling to wonder how Payton is above any of them. An outlier Super Bowl run despite having the best teams out of all of these coaches. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 20 hours ago, Tank4Drake said: Tomlin is a solid coach, no doubt, but I just don’t see how you can have him above any of these guys all-time. He might have a winning record every year, and make the playoffs often, but how many of those teams were Super Bowl contenders? The 2016/2017 teams were not SB contenders. We all knew that 2016 team was gonna get wrecked by New England. We all knew the 2017 team was getting bounced early. Tomlin has not fielded a legitimate Super Bowl contending team since the 2011 season imo. If you aren’t a Super Bowl contending team, you’re playoff berth is not impressive (unless you are a young team on the rise… 2012 Seattle, 2023 Green Bay/Houston, etc). The other four coaches, when they make the playoffs, it’s a Super Bowl contending team. The same 2016 team that lost to New England on a very controversial play that resulted in rule changes? That same team that would've been playing at home instead of the road if not for that controversial play? That team? The 2017 teasm was getting bounced earlier despite being a 2 seed? And we "knew" that, huh? It's crazy to post this and then turn around and act like Payton has had TWO contending teams since 2011. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I'll put it this way; there's only one other coach on this list I'd want for the Steelers if Tomlin were fired... And that's Harbaugh. MAYBE Carroll. Payton and McCarthy have coasted on the reputations of their HOF QBs IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 5 way tie, they all have 1 championship. Depends on what you value who you rate higher. Offense? Defense? Preseason wins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 50 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: Acting like HC’s don’t have a big say is the roster is definitely inaccurate. I don’t think they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 39 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: 1 hour ago, Tank4Drake said: Acting like HC’s don’t have a big say is the roster is definitely inaccurate. I don’t think they do. It certainly varies from organization to organization. They all have a say. Some have the final say and some are just requests. Most are probably somewhere in the middle. Obviously a GM is going to listen and respect a head coaches wishes. Whether they like the value or not enough to pull the trigger is a different story. A coach may want to go all in but the GM knows he has to pay for his choices so he obviously is going to do what he thinks is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football_Bachelor08 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Payton Harbaugh Tomlin Carroll McCarthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1. Pete Carroll 2. John Harbaugh 3. Mike Tomlin 4. Sean Payton 5. Mike McCarthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1. John Harbaugh 2. Mike Tomlin 3. Pete Carroll 4. Sean Payton 5. Mike McCarthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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