turtle28 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 7 hours ago, Slappy Mc said: How to not be Chase Young. Ha, we would be so lucky to have any our DEs flash that much talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 19 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Ha, we would be so lucky to have any our DEs flash that much talent. And then never achieve it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 21 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Ha, we would be so lucky to have any our DEs flash that much talent. Statistically speaking Dorance Armstrong and Dante Fowler are far superior players. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 12 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: And then never achieve it? Chase was on pace for 12 sacks last year when he was traded & then in San Fran he wasn't on the field as much bc they already had a rotation going before he got there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, turtle28 said: Chase was on pace for 12 sacks last year when he was traded & then in San Fran he wasn't on the field as much bc they already had a rotation going before he got there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sam Howell was on pace to be our franchise QB last year too... Gotta call things for what they are and not what they could have been. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 7 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: Statistically speaking Dorance Armstrong and Dante Fowler are far superior players. Just saying. Combined into one person maybe. Chase had 5 sacks in 7 games for us last year. If they didn't trade him I'm sure he would've gotten at least 5 in the final 10 games. He was on pace for 12 sacks on our team next year. Fowler is a pass rush specialist. Armstrong is a good solid all around DE but he doesn't have the talent that Chase has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sam Howell was on pace to be our franchise QB last year too... Gotta call things for what they are and not what they could have been. And you know what Chase was going to be in the final 10 games of last year in DC bc you don't like him? I think Sam also got a bad rap in the second half of the season. As we know now, Dotson was not getting open a lot, the playcalling was poor & not balanced so the defenses didn't even have to defend the run against us and our OL was trash but it's true that we will never know of what could've been different for Howell in a different offense and with a #2/3 WR who was getting open more often and wasn't having bad drops at times. Edited August 30 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Combined into one person maybe. Chase had 5 sacks in 7 games for us last year. If they didn't trade him I'm sure he would've gotten at least 5 in the final 10 games. He was on pace for 12 sacks on our team next year. Fowler is a pass rush specialist. Armstrong is a good solid all around DE but he doesn't have the talent that Chase has. Bro, you never seem to understand talent doesn't mean you are a good football player. Fowler has had over 10 sacks in a single season, a statistic that Chase Young can't ever say he's done. Armstrong has 16 sacks as a rotational player over the past two seasons. Chase has 16.5 sacks for his entire career. Both Armstrong and Fowler are better professional football players than Chase Young. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, turtle28 said: And you know what Chase was going to be in the final 10 games of last year in DC bc you don't like him? Lol... Well considering he wasn't going to be in DC, no matter what, he wasn't going to be anything. I think it's funny that you think I don't like him. I don't dislike him at all, I just think he was a bust that was too self involved to reach his potential. If that makes me a hater in your eyes then so be it. He went to a team that needed a DE2 and didn't make an impact. His playing time, that you brought up in his defense, was not earned. It had nothing to do with a set rotation, he wasn't effective. He had one good play in the SB and disappeared. That performance was indicative of his entire career here. He showed flashes at times and then vanished. I've watched him get washed out of too many plays to count. Repeatedly lacking hustle and accepting being blocked. He was immensely talented coming out and probably thought he would continue to dominate. He never evolved and tried to rely on the "talent" you are pointing out. It just wasn't enough during his first 4 years. Hopefully he can be a solid player for New Orleans, but I'd put money on him being a flash-in-the-pan and disappear type there too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 5 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: Bro, you never seem to understand talent doesn't mean you are a good football player. Fowler has had over 10 sacks in a single season, a statistic that Chase Young can't ever say he's done. Armstrong has 16 sacks as a rotational player over the past two seasons. Chase has 16.5 sacks for his entire career. Both Armstrong and Fowler are better professional football players than Chase Young. I'm aware. Did you know Chase blew his out ACL & patella tendon and missed a year and a half because of that? Fowler had one season with 11.5 sacks in 9 seasons & he was playing for the Rams so Aaron Donald was getting double and triple teamed every play. Again, Chase stupidly got traded last year when he was finally on pace to get over 10 sacks after working his way back from his knee injury by an awful GM/HC but you were in favor of that one thing that Rivera did because you HATE Chase! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 4 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I'm aware. Did you know Chase blew his out ACL & patella tendon and missed a year and a half because of that? Fowler had one season with 11.5 sacks in 9 seasons & he was playing for the Rams so Aaron Donald was getting double and triple teamed every play. Again, Chase stupidly got traded last year when he was finally on pace to get over 10 sacks after working his way back from his knee injury by an awful GM/HC but you were in favor of that one thing that Rivera did because you HATE Chase! Ok bro. If I hate Chase, then you are in love with him. Getting anything for Chase Young, who would have walked for nothing, was the right call no matter the GM/HC. The biggest difference between our opinions, is that I live in the world were we look at real results and statistics. Potential doesn't mean jack if you never achieve it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 19 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: Ok bro. If I hate Chase, then you are in love with him. Getting anything for Chase Young, who would have walked for nothing, was the right call no matter the GM/HC. The biggest difference between our opinions, is that I live in the world were we look at real results and statistics. Potential doesn't mean jack if you never achieve it. We could've re-signed Chase after last season and I’m sure Peters would've wanted to if Chase had near or over 10 sacks last season. I mean Lynch/Peters traded a 3rd round pick for Chase, so they obviously liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 21 minutes ago, turtle28 said: We could've re-signed Chase after last season and I’m sure Peters would've wanted to if Chase had near or over 10 sacks last season. I mean Lynch/Peters traded a 3rd round pick for Chase, so they obviously liked him. And they didn’t... Don't you get it that he was unwanted by 31 teams, including the 49ers who traded a 3rd round pick for him. When he was a FA, Adam Peters could have signed him, you are correct. He didn't do it. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Again, I hope that Chase "figures it out" but you need to get over the concept that he is a above average player. If you are downplaying our current DEs, why on earth are you propping up someone that has done less. He hasn't done anything substantial in the NFL to date. He probably should have lost DROTY to Chinn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 1 hour ago, Slappy Mc said: Bro, you never seem to understand talent doesn't mean you are a good football player. Fowler has had over 10 sacks in a single season, a statistic that Chase Young can't ever say he's done. Armstrong has 16 sacks as a rotational player over the past two seasons. Chase has 16.5 sacks for his entire career. Both Armstrong and Fowler are better professional football players than Chase Young. That first sentence reminded me of this quote I have framed in my office: Quote Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not: the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted August 31 Author Share Posted August 31 Chase doesn’t and never will have the heart and integrity to be a great football player. It’s such a shame since he had all the physical abilities you need and it seemed to have been wasted on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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