Alex Smith to be traded to Washington for 3rd round pick and CB Kendall Fuller; agrees to extension

[CWood21]

4 minutes ago, squire12 said:

You are making it sound like Cousins wants to do WAS a favor and get things done quickly.  In his mind, WAS has done him wrong by not offering a contract that he feels he deserved and limited him from being a UFA.  Tagging him gives him the ability to hold WAS over the barrel for as long as he would choose to.  

No.  There's motivation on both sides to get this deal done for both parties.  Washington wants compensation for losing Cousins, and Cousins wants long-term security.  There's no reason either party should drag their feet in the mud on this one.

[CWood21]

4 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

They're taking away his right to a free market and a potential bidding war. LIS, he has no motivation to sign the tag. Most likely scenario is WAS rescinds it by the opening of FA if he hasn't signed it, but do they even got a comp pick then?

Easy choice is to just let him go, no risk, and you do the right thing for the first time in the multi year Cousins saga.

There's a market whether or not he's tagged.  The only thing tagging does is making sure the Redskins get compensation this year instead of next year.  That's it.  Do you think a team is going to scoff at acquiring Kirk Cousins via trade because they have to send the Redskins a 2018 3rd round pick?  Nope.  LIS, they have 3 weeks to negotiate a Cousins a trade.  Hell, they have 2 weeks to negotiate a Cousins trade before they officially have to franchise tag him.

EDIT: Easy doesn't mean right.

[squire12]

1 minute ago, CWood21 said:

No.  There's motivation on both sides to get this deal done for both parties.  Washington wants compensation for losing Cousins, and Cousins wants long-term security.  There's no reason either party should drag their feet in the mud on this one.

You don't think Cousins has an issue with how he has been treated by WAS?

Players hold grudges.  They don't often have an opportunity to do much about them.   

[CWood21]

3 minutes ago, squire12 said:

He doesn't have to pass up a long term deal.  But he also does not need to do anything quickly.  Maybe he wants to see how other teams look before making his decision.  WAS would be limited from doing anything in FA and Cousins knows that, other teams know that.  

WAS gains a pick a year earlier, but risks losing out on the ability to make moves and leaves Cousins as being the key to what they can do in 2018 FA

We're talking about 3 weeks here.  How long do you believe that Kirk Cousins is going to hold up the Redskins franchise to be vindictive?  I'm going to say it again, and I'm sure it won't be the last time.  The Redskins have 3 FULL WEEKS from when the franchise tag opens to when FA officially opens and the Redskins can sign FAs.  That doesn't hurt their ability to sign FA unless something goes drastically wrong.

[CWood21]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

You don't think Cousins has an issue with how he has been treated by WAS?

Players hold grudges.  They don't often have an opportunity to do much about them.   

No, I do think he has a grudge with what they did.  Is he going to put aside his own personal financial security to do so?  Nope.  He's not going to tell the Redskins to go F themselves and not negotiate a long-term deal just to piss off the Redskins.  Sorry, I don't believe that's going to happen.

[Packerraymond]

Just now, CWood21 said:

There's a market whether or not he's tagged.  The only thing tagging does is making sure the Redskins get compensation this year instead of next year.  That's it.  Do you think a team is going to scoff at acquiring Kirk Cousins via trade because they have to send the Redskins a 2018 3rd round pick?  Nope.  LIS, they have 3 weeks to negotiate a Cousins a trade.  Hell, they have 2 weeks to negotiate a Cousins trade before they officially have to franchise tag him.

I'm not talking the Redskins, I'm talking Cousins. I'm not sure what you aren't getting here. He's a free agent, meaning he has the choice of signing with any team in the NFL. Multiple teams could envision him as their franchise QB and he and his agent can easily pit teams against each other and sign a mega deal.

As a tagged player Cousins is not a free agent, he is the property of the Redskins. Now he cannot pit any team against each other and will be forced to negotiate with one team, the team that gives the Redskins the highest compensation for Cousins. Now it's the Redskins who have the ability to put all teams against each other and drive up a price.

So again, what's Cousins motive to sign that tag? There is none. He wants to be a FA, not tagged and dealt.

[squire12]

Just now, CWood21 said:

We're talking about 3 weeks here.  How long do you believe that Kirk Cousins is going to hold up the Redskins franchise to be vindictive?  I'm going to say it again, and I'm sure it won't be the last time.  The Redskins have 3 FULL WEEKS from when the franchise tag opens to when FA officially opens and the Redskins can sign FAs.  That doesn't hurt their ability to sign FA unless something goes drastically wrong.

So contract deals get done well in advance of deadlines all the time right.   Maybe you are forgetting that the saying that deadlines spark deals getting done.   For Cousins and another team, there is no deadline to get a deal done.  WAS is the only party that would be under a deadline of having the franchise tag count against their 2018 cap until a trade is made.  They have the most to lose in the process of tagging Cousins for the only benefit of getting a draft pick a year earlier.

[CWood21]

1 minute ago, Packerraymond said:

I'm not talking the Redskins, I'm talking Cousins. I'm not sure what you aren't getting here. He's a free agent, meaning he has the choice of signing with any team in the NFL. Multiple teams could envision him as their franchise QB and he and his agent can easily pit teams against each other and sign a mega deal.

As a tagged player Cousins is not a free agent, he is the property of the Redskins. Now he cannot pit any team against each other and will be forced to negotiate with one team, the team that gives the Redskins the highest compensation for Cousins. Now it's the Redskins who have the ability to put all teams against each other and drive up a price.

So again, what's Cousins motive to sign that tag? There is none. He wants to be a FA, not tagged and dealt.

Kirk Cousins has absolutely NO leverage in forcing the Redskins not to tag him.  If the Redskins tag him, he's tagged.  There's no getting out of the franchise tag.  He can try and force the issue by immediately signing the franchise tag, but even if he does so that doesn't really affect the Redskins until FA actually officially opens.  If he wants to sign the tag to force the issue, so be it.  But that isn't going to make him a FA, that just expedites the motivation for the Redskins to trade him.  That's his action if the Redskins tag him.

Yes, he's the property of the Redskins.  But the Redskins don't have any motivation to keep Cousins around.  And that's where the Redskins have motivation to trade him.  Kirk Cousins has his own motivation in a long term contract.

[Dashing202]

7 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

No.  There's motivation on both sides to get this deal done for both parties.  Washington wants compensation for losing Cousins, and Cousins wants long-term security.  There's no reason either party should drag their feet in the mud on this one.

Also cousins has gotten 40 mil already. For him to sit out is very unprofessional , just play football and take the money . He can hate the skins but to get paid 40 mil and being a starting qb in the NFL is a blessing .

 

[squire12]

3 dam GB Packer fans arguing about what WAS should do with Cousins.   

First world problems

[Dashing202]

6 minutes ago, squire12 said:

You don't think Cousins has an issue with how he has been treated by WAS?

Players hold grudges.  They don't often have an opportunity to do much about them.   

lol he's been paid 40 mil if he's seriously holding a grudge than he's a immature . We sat rg3 down into 2015 and bare in mind Kirk sucked in 2014.

we gave him a chance to start so for him to hold an grudge is on him . 

 

 

 

[squire12]

2 minutes ago, Dashing202 said:

Also cousins has gotten 40 mil already. For him to sit out is very unprofessional , just play football and take the money . He can hate the skins but to get paid 40 mil and being a starting qb in the NFL is a blessing .

 

Or Cousins can sign the tag and play for WAS and collect a cool $25 or $35M depending on the tag.  He likely then is a UFA in 2019.  1 year older, but a bit richer none the less

[CWood21]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

So contract deals get done well in advance of deadlines all the time right.   Maybe you are forgetting that the saying that deadlines spark deals getting done.   For Cousins and another team, there is no deadline to get a deal done.  WAS is the only party that would be under a deadline of having the franchise tag count against their 2018 cap until a trade is made.  They have the most to lose in the process of tagging Cousins for the only benefit of getting a draft pick a year earlier.

I'm talking about in terms of when teams have to officially be under the cap.  You can negotiate a deal without actually having that kind of cap space.  IIRC, didn't the Dolphins have to clear a bunch of cap space to sign Ndamukong Suh?  I'm sure history is littered with situations like that.

There is motivation to get a deal done.  Cousins wants long-term security, Washington wants a tangible asset they can use in 2018, and the team acquiring Cousins gets their franchise QB.  There's absolutely NO motivation for the Redskins and Cousins to drag it on.  None.

[Packerraymond]

1 minute ago, CWood21 said:

Kirk Cousins has absolutely NO leverage in forcing the Redskins not to tag him.  If the Redskins tag him, he's tagged.  There's no getting out of the franchise tag.  He can try and force the issue by immediately signing the franchise tag, but even if he does so that doesn't really affect the Redskins until FA actually officially opens.  If he wants to sign the tag to force the issue, so be it.  But that isn't going to make him a FA, that just expedites the motivation for the Redskins to trade him.  That's his action if the Redskins tag him.

Yes, he's the property of the Redskins.  But the Redskins don't have any motivation to keep Cousins around.  And that's where the Redskins have motivation to trade him.  Kirk Cousins has his own motivation in a long term contract.

Once he's tagged he's on the cap. Meaning 35m is on the cap, meaning the Redskins have no space to sign any of their own FA or any other outside FA. If Cousins sits on the tag unsigned (which he must sign to be dealt) the Redskins literally cannot even sign a draft pick. So on day 1 of FA, if he didn't sign the tag, the Skins are left with the choice of rescinding the tag or not doing a damn thing. He has plenty of leverage.

[squire12]

1 minute ago, Dashing202 said:

lol he's been paid 40 mil if he's seriously holding a grudge than he's a immature . We sat rg3 down into 2015 and bare in mind Kirk sucked in 2014.

we gave him a chance to start so for him to hold an grudge is on him . 

 

 

 

Why has he not signed a LTD with WAS then?   He has been unhappy with the contracts offered and being tagged 2x by WAS.  I dont see how tagging Cousins a 3rd time and restricting him from being a UFA again makes him happier.