Old Devils Thread (Lock 'er up please)

[beekay414]

More Jack Finley pimping on my part...

He was nearly a PPG player yet he rarely got PP time. He was 24th in the WHL in ES Points and was 10th in ES assists. He's also one of the youngest prospects in this draft while also being a complete two way player and a pure center. I don't get why Pronman left him off at all. He's in my top 50.

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7 hours ago, Forge said:

Zion Nybeck is a big omission for me. I know that he's super tiny, and I'm assuming that is what he is getting docked for, but he's got skill and can play.

Nybeck is actually listed at 41

[Forge]

35 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Nybeck is actually listed at 41

Oh damn, completely missed him. Though 41 may be too high LOL

 

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8 minutes ago, Forge said:

Oh damn, completely missed him. Though 41 may be too high LOL

I'm about to post my top 50. If you think 41 is too high for him...let me introduce you to the BK way LOL.

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beekay's 2020 NHL Draft Top 50
1. Alexis Lafreniere | LW | Rimouski (QMJHL)
2. Quinton Byfield | C | Sudbury (OHL)
3. Tim Stutzle | C/LW | Mannheim (DEL)
4. Marco Rossi | C | Ottawa (OHL)
5. Jamie Drysdale | RHD | Erie (OHL)
6. Lucas Raymond | LW | Frolunda (SHL)
7. Alexander Holtz | RW | Djurgarden (SHL)
8. Jake Sanderson | LHD | USNTDP (USHL)
9. Cole Perfetti | C | Saginaw (OHL)
10. Yaroslav Askarov | G | SKA (VHL)
11. Jan Mysak | LW | Hamilton (OHL)
12. Rodion Amirov | LW | Ufa (KHL) 
13. Seth Jarvis | RW | Portland (WHL)
14. Jack Quinn | RW | Ottawa (OHL)
15. Connor Zary | C | Kamloops (WHL)
16. Braden Schneider | RHD | Brandon (WHL)
17. John-Jason Peterka | RW | Munich (DEL)
18. Dawson Mercer | RW | Chicoutimi (QMJHL)
19. Dylan Holloway | C | Wisconsin (B1G)
20. Anton Lundell | C | HIFK (Liiga)
21. Kaiden Guhle | LHD | Prince Albert (WHL)
22. Lukas Reichel | LW | Berlin (DEL)
23. Noel Gunler | RW | Lulea (SHL)
24. Mavrik Bourque | C | Shawinigan (QMJHL)
25. Shakir Mukhamadullin | LHD | Ufa (KHL)
26. Marat Khusnutdinov | C | SKA (MHL)
27. Thomas Bordeleau | C | USNTDP (USHL)
28. Ty Smilanic | C | USNTDP (USHL)
29. Jeremie Poirier | LHD | Saint JOhn (QMJHL)
30. William Wallinder | LHD | MODO (Allsvenskan)
31. Hendrix Lapierre | C | Chicoutimi (QMJHL)
32. Jacob Perreault | RW | Sarnia (OHL)
33. Justin Barron | RHD | Halifax (QMJHL)
34. Lukas Cormier | LHD | Charlottetown (QMJHL)
35. Zion Nybeck | LW | HV71 (SHL)
36. Daniil Gushchin | LW | Muskegon (USHL)
37. Topi Niemela | RHD | Karpat (Liiga)
38. Ozzy Wiesblatt | RW | Prince Albert (WHL)
39. Vasiliy Ponomarev | C | Shawinigan (QMJHL)
40. Kasper Simontaival | RW | Taapara (Jr. A Liiga)
41. Jake Neighbours | LW | Edmonton (WHL)
42. Jack Finley | C | Spokane (WHL)
43. Ridly Greig | LW | Brandon (WHL)
44. Jean-Luc Foudy | C | Windsor (OHL)
45. Justin Sourdif | RW | Vancouver (WHL)
46. Brendan Brisson | C | Chicago (USHL)
47. Emil Andrae | LHD | HV71 (SHL)
48. Connor McClennon | RW | Winnipeg (WHL)
49. Will Cuylle | LW | Windsor (OHL)
50. Yan Kuznetsov | LHD | Connecticut (H-East)

Edited May 29, 2020 by beekay414

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Just now, beekay414 said:

I'm about to post my top 50. If you think 41 is too high for him...let me introduce you to the BK way LOL.

Lol I think that's where the size becomes a concern. The skill is there to be taken that high, but I don't like him quiiiiiiiite as much as I liked Nils hoglander.

I didn't see Zayde Wisdom on his list, but now I'm trying to read from the phone

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Just now, Forge said:

I didn't see Zayde Wisdom on his list, but now I'm trying to read from the phone

He was not on his list, you are correct.

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2 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

beekay's 2020 NHL Draft Top 50
1. Alexis Lafreniere | LW | Rimouski (QMJHL)
2. Quinton Byfield | C | Sudbury (OHL)
3. Tim Stutzle | C/LW | Mannheim (DEL)
4. Marco Rossi | C | Ottawa (OHL)
5. Jamie Drysdale | RHD | Erie (OHL)
6. Lucas Raymond | LW | Frolunda (SHL)
7. Alexander Holtz | RW | Djurgarden (SHL)
8. Jake Sanderson | LHD | USNTDP (USHL)
9. Cole Perfetti | C | Saginaw (OHL)
10. Yaroslav Askarov | G | SKA (VHL)
11. Jan Mysak | LW | Hamilton (OHL)
12. Rodion Amirov | LW | Ufa (KHL) 
13. Seth Jarvis | RW | Portland (WHL)
14. Jack Quinn | RW | Ottawa (OHL)
15. Connor Zary | C | Kamloops (WHL)
16. Braden Schneider | RHD | Brandon (WHL)
17. John-Jason Peterka | RW | Munich (DEL)
18. Dawson Mercer | RW | Chicoutimi (QMJHL)
19. Dylan Holloway | C | Wisconsin (B1G)
20. Anton Lundell | C | HIFK (Liiga)
21. Kaiden Guhle | LHD | Prince Albert (WHL)
22. Lukas Reichel | LW | Berlin (DEL)
23. Noel Gunler | RW | Lulea (SHL)
24. Mavrik Bourque | C | Shawinigan (QMJHL)
25. Shakir Mukhamadullin | LHD | Ufa (KHL)
26. Marat Khusnutdinov | C | SKA (MHL)
27. Thomas Bordeleau | C | USNTDP (USHL)
28. Ty Smilanic | C | USNTDP (USHL)
29. Jeremie Poirier | LHD | Saint JOhn (QMJHL)
30. William Wallinder | MODO (Allsvenskan)
31. Hendrix Lapierre | C | Chicoutimi (QMJHL)
32. Jacob Perreault | RW | Sarnia (OHL)
33. Justin Barron | RHD | Halifax (QMJHL)
34. Lukas Cormier | LHD | Charlottetown (QMJHL)
35. Zion Nybeck | LW | HV71 (SHL)
36. Daniil Gushchin | LW | Muskegon (USHL)
37. Topi Niemela | RHD | Karpat (Liiga)
38. Ozzy Wiesblatt | RW | Prince Albert (WHL)
39. Vasiliy Ponomarev | C | Shawinigan (QMJHL)
40. Kasper Simontaival | RW | Taapara (Jr. A Liiga)
41. Jake Neighbours | LW | Edmonton (WHL)
42. Jack Finley | C | Spokane (WHL)
43. Ridly Greig | LW | Brandon (WHL)
44. Jean-Luc Foudy | C | Windsor (OHL)
45. Justin Sourdif | RW | Vancouver (WHL)
46. Brendan Brisson | C | Chicago (USHL)
47. Emil Andrae | LHD | HV71 (SHL)
48. Connor McClennon | RW | Winnipeg (WHL)
49. Will Cuylle | LW | Windsor (OHL)
50. Yan Kuznetsov | LHD | Connecticut (H-East)

I like that you have Amirov that high. We talked about him in HF... He was on my short list at 17 (I figured if we picked at 10 we'd have someone in the board I liked just a bit more), but really digging him

I'm not that high on mukhamadullin though. 

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2 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

He was not on his list, you are correct.

Then I'll take that as my omission now lol.

More of an upside call. One of the younger players, and I think he's going to grow more physically

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1 minute ago, Forge said:

I'm not that high on mukhamadullin though. 

I'm surprised you pointed out Mukhamadullin and not Wallinder. They have their warts but I love what they can do at their respective sizes so that gave them a huge bump for me compared to others. I'm sure a most people would have Andrae and Cormier above both but Andrae's size scares me. I probably undervalue Cormier compared to Muk/Wallinder but the size disparity is what separates them for me. I know size isn't everything but, if I'm taking a chance on a dman with warts in their own zones, I'm going with the bigger guy 95% of the time unless the offense is off the charts better from the other guy. I guess you could make a case that Cormier's offense completely trumps both of the big guys but they both have shown enough that I don't think they'll be offensive liabilities at all.

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7 minutes ago, Forge said:

I like that you have Amirov that high. We talked about him in HF... He was on my short list at 17 (I figured if we picked at 10 we'd have someone in the board I liked just a bit more), but really digging him

He's risky but the upside is there. I'd be more than fine taking him with the Arizona pick if it falls out of the top 10. I'd prefer Mysak but I wouldn't be upset with Amirov.

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Outside of the top 10, there's marginal differences in how I feel about guys grouped in the same areas. Ask me tomorrow and I could have Jarvis at 11 over both Mysak & Amirov. There's really no clear lean either way with players separated by only a few spots. If they are grouped near each other, odds are I like them equally. It's when you get 5-7 spots apart is when I start placing them in different tiers.

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4 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

I'm surprised you pointed out Mukhamadullin and not Wallinder. They have their warts but I love what they can do at their respective sizes so that gave them a huge bump for me compared to others. I'm sure a most people would have Andrae and Cormier above both but Andrae's size scares me. I probably undervalue Cormier compared to Muk/Wallinder but the size disparity is what separates them for me. I know size isn't everything but, if I'm taking a chance on a dman with warts in their own zones, I'm going with the bigger guy 95% of the time unless the offense is off the charts better from the other guy. I guess you could make a case that Cormier's offense completely trumps both of the big guys but they both have shown enough that I don't think they'll be offensive liabilities at all.

I feel like a lot of people are getting more and more on the wallinder bandwagon (well, you know, except pronman apparently). A guy at that size who skates that well will always be well liked. A little too much cockiness in his game at times, and there's a lot of projection, but I 100% get it. 

Mukhamadullin's got a long way to go mentally. 

I do like that you had them close. I would rank them fairly close to one another, I think

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10 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Outside of the top 10, there's marginal differences in how I feel about guys grouped in the same areas. Ask me tomorrow and I could have Jarvis at 11 over both Mysak & Amirov. There's really no clear lean either way with players separated by only a few spots. If they are grouped near each other, odds are I like them equally. It's when you get 5-7 spots apart is when I start placing them in different tiers.

That's why I really wanted that Arizona pick to be in that 10 spot. Felt really good about getting someone from my good tier before the drop off

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Just now, Forge said:

That's why I really wanted that Arizona pick to be in that 10 spot. Felt really good about getting someone from my good tier before the drop off

I feel like, at 10, we'd take someone from that lower tier regardless. I don't see us taking Askarov. I think Seth Jarvis fits what we do the most out of everyone in that tier. He can flat out score, he skates really well and he's a RW, which we are sorely lacking in the system. Quinn has been the guy we've pegged but Jarvis is the far better skater so, assuming Fitzgerald has a similar philosophy and we retain Castron, Jarvis seems like he'd be the guy.