MMA Thread

[NYRaider]

Just now, eagles101 said:

......ha

Guys like Woodley, Ferguson, Covington, the list goes on have declined fights and said they'd rather just wait for a title shot. Conor went up 2 weight classes to fight Nate Diaz on short-notice to save a card. 

[eagles101]

4 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Guys like Woodley, Ferguson, Covington, the list goes on have declined fights and said they'd rather just wait for a title shot. Conor went up 2 weight classes to fight Nate Diaz on short-notice to save a card. 

I dont mind talking to someone about the ufc that has no idea what they are talking about but your comeplete confidence and arrogance on that you know what you are talking about makes it hard.

conor went up one weight class to fight a fighter who fought and fights at lightweight. Conor already was going to fight at 155 before rda dropped out. Hes also a more natural 155. The size difference between nate and connor isnt a two weight class difference. 

It also makes sense for people to hold off on fighting if they are in line for the belt. Conor had two fights between in the last two years. Hes not a fight anyone anywhere fighter. Not by a long shot. He didnt need to come back and he also didnt need to ghost the ufc for two years. 

Do you really find him fighting nate to be some sort of remarkable never before seen thing? Because its not even remotely impressive. 

[NYRaider]

37 minutes ago, eagles101 said:

I dont mind talking to someone about the ufc that has no idea what they are talking about but your comeplete confidence and arrogance on that you know what you are talking about makes it hard.

conor went up one weight class to fight a fighter who fought and fights at lightweight. Conor already was going to fight at 155 before rda dropped out. Hes also a more natural 155. The size difference between nate and connor isnt a two weight class difference. 

It also makes sense for people to hold off on fighting if they are in line for the belt. Conor had two fights between in the last two years. Hes not a fight anyone anywhere fighter. Not by a long shot. He didnt need to come back and he also didnt need to ghost the ufc for two years. 

Do you really find him fighting nate to be some sort of remarkable never before seen thing? Because its not even remotely impressive. 

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He's 9-2 in the UFC with wins over Jose Aldo, Max Holloway, Dustin Poirier, Chad Mendes, Nate Diaz, and Eddie Alvarez. With two losses against Diaz at 170 on short-notice with a staph infection and Khabib after a 2-year hiatus. Of course, he's not a fight anyone, anywhere type of fighter anymore, why should he be? The sport needs him more than he needs the sport, he's already set for life financially and making a ton of money outside of fighting.

Edited March 9, 2019 by NYRaider

[NYRaider]

The McGregor slander needs to stop. I'm not saying he's the greatest fighter, but his resume is definitely very impressive and he's the most entertaining fighter on the roster by a country mile. Colby Covington and Ben Askren are rising to fame right now as the two hottest names in the sport because they can string together 3 coherent sentences. 

[eagles101]

10 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

The McGregor slander needs to stop. I'm not saying he's the greatest fighter, but his resume is definitely very impressive and he's the most entertaining fighter on the roster by a country mile. Colby Covington and Ben Askren are rising to fame right now as the two hottest names in the sport because they can string together 3 coherent sentences. 

Who has slandered him? 

And i think youve made it very clear what you look for in an mma fighter with the mentioning of Colby Covington and ben.

this isnt tmz, its mma. Cool, conor colby and ben can talk crap. Round of applause. 

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, eagles101 said:

Who has slandered him? 

And i think youve made it very clear what you look for in an mma fighter with the mentioning of Colby Covington and ben.

this isnt tmz, its mma. Cool, conor colby and ben can talk crap. Round of applause. 

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I'm not a fan of Colby Covington or Ben Askren, I just said that they're the two hottest names in the sport right now which is really telling as to what the sport has become. 

You're acting like Conor is only big because he can talk crap. He's 9-2 in the UFC, finished the P4P #1 guy at the time in 13 seconds, was the first champ-champ in history, etc. The only two fights he has lost were extremely tough matchups with weird circumstances leading up to the fight.

[eagles101]

5 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

Have we heard any news as to why Stipe Miocic hasn't fought? Was he just taking time off after having his daughter or something?

I dont really know. I think its mostly he feels snubbed by the ufc. 

[eagles101]

1 hour ago, beekay414 said:

The UFC needs Conor more than Conor needs the UFC at this point so that's why they are going to let him call his shots. He's set for life and making crazy money from his whiskey. 

The ufc doesnt really need him. Conor has more leverage but the ufc doesnt get that much more sales a year compared to how much they have to give up. Especially bow that the athletic commission is breathing down there neck about the dolly/brawl situation. 

For the ufc to NEED conor, conor would have to win and fight multiple times a year. And extra million buys a year could offset his shenanigans. But 400,000 a year, or every other year, would really help if the athletic commission comes knocking. 

Conor also has a persona to protect. He goes out and loses two more fights and his money could start to dry up. I dont know the quality of his whiskey but if he loses his name it wouldnt be good for his brand. Conor has made a name for himself better then any mma fighter but its not infallible.  If he fights cowboy and loses where is his stock then? He wouldnt be a top 5 LW. Would he still get his million buys against a sub top fove opponent? 

[beekay414]

This is a company that said they'd never have Jon Jones headline a PPV ever again yet...well...you know how that turned out. So, if Bones can be ultra-unreliable and come back and headline events, there's no reason for Conor to settle for a co-main slot. Every fighter on that PPV would be benefiting from his name, so he belongs in that main slot regardless of how you feel about him. 

[beekay414]

5 minutes ago, eagles101 said:

The ufc doesnt really need him. Conor has more leverage but the ufc doesnt get that much more sales a year compared to how much they have to give up. Especially bow that the athletic commission is breathing down there neck about the dolly/brawl situation. 

For the ufc to NEED conor, conor would have to win and fight multiple times a year. And extra million buys a year could offset his shenanigans. But 400,000 a year, or every other year, would really help if the athletic commission comes knocking. 

Conor also has a persona to protect. He goes out and loses two more fights and his money could start to dry up. I dont know the quality of his whiskey but if he loses his name it wouldnt be good for his brand. Conor has made a name for himself better then any mma fighter but its not infallible.  If he fights cowboy and loses where is his stock then? He wouldnt be a top 5 LW. Would he still get his million buys against a sub top fove opponent? 

He's a household name. He's getting a million buys in his sleep. He could fight a monkey and people would pay to watch it. 

Tyson lost several times over, he still was a major draw and people paid to see the show. Conor's a show. 

I didnt say the UFC needs Conor, I said they need him more than he needs them. Big difference. 

I mean, dude lost to Nate and his next fight was even bigger lol. He's THE draw in combat sports right now.

Edited March 9, 2019 by beekay414

[eagles101]

10 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

He's a household name. He's getting a million buys in his sleep. He could fight a monkey and people would pay to watch it. 

Tyson lost several times over, he still was a major draw and people paid to see the show. Conor's a show. 

I didnt say the UFC needs Conor, I said they need him more than he needs them. Big difference. 

It doesnt matter if the ufc needs him more or not. Thats not how business works. If conor makes demands the ufc doesnt want they can easily move on and not miss a beat. Conor doesnt need the ufc at all but the ufc doesnt really need him either. 

Tyson is a goat champ boxer. People watch him because of that. Conor, as you said, is a show. Its a show that is getting old and will continue to get old. Its the same thing over and over before the fights and if he doesnt preform during the fights why would people watch him? He doesnt get a million loving fans buying to watch him. Of the fans that tune in just because its conor, a significant portion watch to see him lose. The more he loses the less they tune in. 

 

Then add how much he fights. If he was a work horse like cowboy, then he has a lot more value. One time a year (or less) having a big ppv isnt as good as having three good events a year. 

[beekay414]

12 minutes ago, eagles101 said:

It doesnt matter if the ufc needs him more or not. Thats not how business works. If conor makes demands the ufc doesnt want they can easily move on and not miss a beat. Conor doesnt need the ufc at all but the ufc doesnt really need him either

Which is why Conor can, and will, demand whatever he wants. There's literally no reason for him to take a co-main slot.

13 minutes ago, eagles101 said:

Tyson is a goat champ boxer. People watch him because of that. Conor, as you said, is a show. Its a show that is getting old and will continue to get old. Its the same thing over and over before the fights and if he doesnt preform during the fights why would people watch him? He doesnt get a million loving fans buying to watch him. Of the fans that tune in just because its conor, a significant portion watch to see him lose. The more he loses the less they tune in.

Tyson became a side show late in his career and yet people still tuned in, so, no it wasn't because he was a championship boxer. People paid to see what would happen next. It's exactly the same with McGregor. Conor also has an entire country that will watch every time he fights and they travel well. So, yes, he does have a "million loving fans" behind him lol.

 

15 minutes ago, eagles101 said:

Then add how much he fights. If he was a work horse like cowboy, then he has a lot more value. One time a year (or less) having a big ppv isnt as good as having three good events a year

Not really all that true. Cowboy doesnt sell fights by himself and he fights all the time. The less Conor fights, the BIGGER the draw he becomes. It's something major money boxers have recognized as well. Theres a reason Mayweather only fights 2 times a year. 

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[JaguarCrazy2832]

4 hours ago, beekay414 said:

The UFC needs Conor more than Conor needs the UFC at this point so that's why they are going to let him call his shots. He's set for life and making crazy money from his whiskey. 

This has been the case probably before the Floyd fight but 1000% true afterwards. He is a golden fighter and regardless of what he does the UFC should be kissing his feet

[JaguarCrazy2832]

4 hours ago, NYRaider said:

As an amateur boxer against the GOAT and in a glorified grappling match after a 2-year layoff. He's 9-2 in the UFC with the only two losses being fights where the odds were extremely stacked against him, he's still a household name because he takes fights that no other guy on the roster would ever even consider taking.

The odds were extremely stacked against him vs Diaz?