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Between now and draft time, the love for Delpit is going to fall off for the draftnik community. It already has for some scouts. He still has top 15 first round buzz but by draft time he'll be a early round 2 guy imo when his missed tackles and weaknesses disrupting the pass get hyper-scrutinized; Simmons will likely stay steady and be valued in the 1st.

Generally speaking, I'd agree agree with the idea of just take the guy that falls but with the caveat of "but don't draft for need; only draft that player if they're worthy of the selection ability-wise in of themselves... if not, look to an actual elite player at another position or trade down." Josh Jones isn't it to me. Amazing PFF grade; but he lumbers; his feet get clumsy and are slow consistently; he can't redirect and is a linear blocker; bad spatial awareness; against speed or rushers with real talent or a rushing plan he's exposed. He's more of a 3rd round guy that's body beautiful and gets pushed up into the 2nd. If we do take him hopefully I'm just way off in my evaluation. I really think it's 4 OTs or bust; 4 OTs or look to another elite prospect at a different position or trade down: 1.) Andrew Thomas, LT Georgia, 2.) Jedrick Wills Jr., OT Alabama, 3.) Isaiah Wilson, RT Georgia, 4.) Alex Leatherwood, LT/OG Alabama ... and really Leatherwood is a distant 4. I'm hopeful that there is an OT prospect out there that has yet to come on my radar so we're not restricted to choosing from 3 elite OT prospects (Thomas, WIls, wilson) and 1 good one (Leatherwood).

Meh...

I think it's likely that the top 8 worst teams by season's end as well as their respective picks could be as follows: 1.) Bengals -- Joe Burrow, QB LSU 2.) Washington -- Andrew Thomas, LT Georgia 3.) Dolphins -- Tua Tagovailo, QB Alabama 4.) Lions -- Chase Young, DE Ohio State 5.) Giants -- Jeff Okudah, CB Ohio State 6.) Cardinals -- Jedrick Wills, OT Alabama 7.) Broncos -- Justin Herbert, QB Oregon 8.) Jets -- Alex Leatherwood, LT Alabama ------- That wouldn't be good for us with Thomas and Wills off the board. That would leave us with the scenario that we'd have to trade up for Isaiah Wilson, RT Georgia as the only way for us to make sure we get an elite impact OT. I like Leatherwood but he's not the sure-fire answer I'd like and would rather trade down at that point or take an elite prospect at another position.

I'm trading up and taking Andrew Thomas over Chase Young with no hesitation and that's solely based on how I value them as prospects. To be fair, I'm not as high on Chase Young as most with most seeming to see him as a ready-made all-pro level, best DE to come out in years, elite of the elite at his position immediately upon his arrival in the NFL player. I really really like Chase Young, but I just don't see it that way. I see Thomas as a ready-made pro-bowl, all-pro player when he arrives his first day of NFL rookie mini-camp. In terms of recent pre-draft grades on elite DEs to this point, I had/have it: 1.) Khalil Mack, 2.) Joey Bosa, 3a.) Myles Garrett, 3b.) Nick Bosa,--- (slight drop-off in quality) -- 5.) Chase Young, 6.) Bradley Chubb. - I see Chase Young as a really good prospect with tremendous tools, all-pro upside, and solid hand usage worthy of a top 6 pick; however, his core play personality,and lack of heavy hands punch as well as not having advanced leverage use play traits despite being coached by Larry Johnson ultimately has me giving him an overall value grade similar to Bradley Chubb because of Young's upside (although to be clear Chubb had great heavy hands and leverage use but just a low ceiling). Based on my pre-draft grades and no benefit of hindsight, I would've taken Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa over Andrew Thomas; a slight edge to Andrew Thomas over Myles and Nick Bosa; and a decisive one for Thomas over Chase Young and Bradley Chubb. Andrew Thomas is a special prospect with his own deficiencies of course, and I'd definitely trade up for him.

You're absolutely right; we have other priorities for sure. However, adding an impact WR is one of those value adds that could be a positive multiplier and exponentially transform the capabilities of this offense. If defenses have the inability to double or shade resources to OBJ and instead have to devote attention to a game-breaking over the top speed threat WR on the opposite boundary, everything opens up for Jarvis, our TEs, and the underneath/delayed routes for a pass catching RB. OBJ then gets more one on ones, and the offense can then use scheme to create mismatches and exploit defensive weaknesses and/or favorable situational one on one match-ups. A more successful passing game then also has positive effects on the running game. It's why ultimately we need to address OLine 1st but address WR second imo because there are no other position groups in the draft pool that will have game-changers available at the bottom of Round 1 to the middle of Round 2 that align with our needs. By draft time, it will be Guards, Wide-Receivers, and CBs as having the most talented players available in early to mid round 2 because of the depth and quality of players in the talent pool at those positions. We're okay at CB for now and good Guards can be found into round 3 and beyond likely. Pairing OBJ with a Michael Pittman Jr. // Henry Ruggs III // Laviska Shenault // DeVonta Smith would transform would create an electric unpredictable offense.

More Take-Aways from the All-22 Re-watch: 1.) Our running game is on a different level and could become elite so whenever run stretch runs or zone blocked runs with elephants on parade with angle and cut-off blocks. Our entire OLine is good at it and Chubb's vision preference for the patient one or one and two counter cut then run to day-light works perfectly with that scheme. Those plays also hide the power deficiencies and inability to generate push by Wyatt Teller, Chris Hubbard, and at times Tretter. When we run the ball straight up; hat on hat get some push with no angles Nick Chubb runs into a brick wall. It's night and day the difference and it made no sense for Freddie to go away from zone run and stretch calls for the more heads up run calls off of Tellers hip or off tackle. We're also complete garbage at any run that requires Bitonio or Teller to pull. We'd just be better off having them either stretch block or side angle seal and push for stretch plays or zone runs instead. The scheme is what Bitonio thrived at when Kyle Shanahan was here and that's where our personnel is right now. Freddie went away from it and the offense stalled out. 2.) Wyatt Teller has to go asap. He's so bad at pulling in the run game and gets no push or displacement on arrival to his target (if he even can get there at all). On run plays off his hip he gets zero push and doesn't look to have much functional strength or heavy punch at all. He's better as a pass blocker but has one of the weakest anchors I've seen in a while. He does however have elite flexibility for an OLineman which allows him to hold on to blocks in weird positions to stop the bleeding. Eric Kush was substantially better in the run game but about the same in the pass blocking game. I'm not sure why we won't just put McCray in at RG and Forbes at RT. 3.) Sheldon Richardson, Mack Wilson, Chad Thomas, Joe Schobert, and Morgan Burnett were seriously on one. Beyond the flash plays anyone can notice watching the tv copy, they all were consistent forces and playmakers with hidden production and impact from the start to the end of the game. Chad Thomas and Mack Wilson played so physical and went out with full effort all game. Richardson was dominant at times displacing the line and disrupting QB timing. 4.) Outside of 5 misreads/bad balls, Baker was in his bag. Baker's worse throw was to OBJ on 3rd and 11 where OBJ was running clean beyond the sticks on the out route. There's no way to read the leverage or down and distance and route and put the ball where he put it. It would make more sense if it just got away from him. The other miss deep in the endzone where Baker put it outside but Beckham read the leverage and stayed inside was just about chemistry. Baker had to let the ball go early and probably assumed the leverage would change. 5.) On Greg Robinson and Chris Hubbard..... @Thomas5737 @Bonanza23 Previously based on my live watch perceptions I said that it was the best game of the season for Greg Robinson and Chris Hubbard and that I only saw two whiffs from G-Rob. After watching all facets of the game on the coaches film I honestly think that's still the case and indeed Greg had two whiffs (i.e., the first was on a screen pass to OBJ and Greg Whiffed on trying to run and get out to the outside to kick-out block DB Steven Nelson. The Second was in the 4th Quarter on 3rd and 3 where he whiffed missed on in the run game on the outside against Bud Dupree doing a quick inside move). Robinson was better than Hubbard. In total, I had 9 negatively graded plays (6 being really bad; 3 less so) where he got beat or had bad technique. Some of those included instances where he got outright beat by a Cam Heyward swim move, waist bent got over his toes and yanked forward off balance and pushed passed by an effective push pull move by Heyward, 2 missed exchanges and assignments when the Steelers were in wide-9 and wide blitz alignments, and being beat to the edge by a speed rush causing a sloppy recovery. For Hubbard, I counted 12 negatively graded plays (9 really bad; 4 less so) much of which consisted of being beaten with speed by TJ Watt or not getting any movement or push in the running game. His misses also came on poor technique to counter an inside move. Given how poorly they've both played at times, the overall work they put out was the best of this season relatively speaking. 6.) Mason Rudolph really threw 5 deep balls and down-field sideline that were perfectly placed much like he did at Ok ST with James Washington. As terrible as he is (and he's really terrible), the Steelers could change their offense if they go back to letting Mason throw those deep drop in the bucket moon shots off the play-action more. Of course, that would require they have some success int he running game and in early downs. I acknowlege that they were good throws at the time but those 4 were really good and so close to connecting (likely would've if there were better WRs in the game). 7.) Steve Wilks has to stop calling those inside bottleneck blitzes and instead needs to call multi-layered looping blitzes that go along with inside games or blitzes. Not sure if it was player's freedom decisions but it was consistent enough where I just assumed it was designed... but too many times we had a traffic jam of blitzers 4 at a time in some cases all trying get through the same gap tripping over themselves and causing opposing OLineman to easily bottleneck/control the rush. Those pinch inside blitzes with Garrett and Thomas diving inside with Larry O and Sheldon were just so ineffective ad give the QB easy passing lanes. Beyond that though, WIlks called the perfect risk-averse restrained game.

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Of Nicean proportions? Hahah ... yes.... But can we please stop putting the Steelers on this pedestal like their an all time defense and good overall team.. How hard is it to beat them? I mean seriously. Their a good defense, but their offense is always going to put the defense in losing situations. The Brian Hoyer led Colts without TY Hilton were an Vinatieri missed Field Goal away from hanging 27 in a win. Their history this year shows that if their defense doesn't score 7-14 points, all you have to do is score 8-15 points and you've won the game..

Hahaha..soon it will sweep us all up.. enjoy your last moments of clarity... Soon he'll be our only coach to sweep the Steelers and Bengals and beat the Ravens in the same season. At that point, I'll be a zombie on the wave like everyone else... ...you'll approach me with my back turned to you, frantically tapping me on the back shoulder like " Come on! Hurry!! we got to get out of here .. there's not much time before the amnesia wave hits.. let's go" only to see me turn around revealing that I've already turned into an empty eyed "He gets us" zombie chanting "Freddie ...Freddie.." you'll break free stumbling over a piece of paper with my last words scribbled before I turned "Penalties... Easiest schedulll....../" You'll get to the window of the building only to look out and see that you're completely surrounded with little to no chance of escape... the zombie chants grow louder as the hoard closes in on your position.. you then begin to have a vision of yourself at peace riding a wave.. and then ... (screen goes black)."

After beating the Dolphins and Steelers again the prophecy will be fulfilled; it shall be complete...

I still can't F-in believe that Myles Garrett of all people with a few seconds to play in the game did something to get him suspended the rest of the season and draw the ire of the public. You couldn't make this sh*t up. What a time to be alive. Witnessing some masses work themselves up foaming at the mouth about the evils of last night; yelling at the top of their lungs all the while they've been silent, content, and docile while this country and the species death marches itself one bomb and illusion at a time, day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute. But nows the time their blood boils.. As soon as their regular schedule outrage entertainment ends, they'll return to their zombified state and calmly and gladly commence their slow march off the coming cliff once more.... In truth, the misery of Browns fandom has taken its toll such that all it takes is 2 close down to the wire wins against inferior opponents for us to feel like we're back on the right track and all prior criticisms (e.e.,g penalties) invalidated even if said issues are still on-going.

It's interesting that we haven't heard a public comment from Haley on Hue, but Haley decides to talk about Freddie on multiple radio shows. The timing means it's vindictive likely.

Todd Haley comes back to the public eye to go in on Freddie... I thought Freddie and he were boys.. maybe they were political competitors.. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/15/todd-haley-myles-garretts-behavior-falls-on-freddie-kitchens/ Todd Haley: Myles Garrett’s behavior falls on Freddie Kitchens " Last year, Todd Haley was replaced mid-season as Browns offensive coordinator by Freddie Kitchens. This year, Kitchens is taking some criticism from Haley. Haley said today on SiriusXM NFL Radio that Kitchens deserves scrutiny for the way his player, Myles Garrett, acted at the end of Thursday night’s game. “This to me, this comes back to coaching,” Haley said. “This falls squarely right on the head coach. Because the head coach talks to every assistant coach, who then talk to their group of players. And there’s an old saying in coaching: ‘You’re either coaching it or you’re allowing it to happen.’” Haley noted that Garrett has had multiple fines this season for personal fouls, and also pointed out that Odell Beckham has twice been forced to change out of unapproved equipment, once his shoes and once his tinted visor. “If you’re not coaching it you’re allowing it to happen, and when I watch the Cleveland Browns I see a lot of stuff being allowed to happen, whether it’s clown shoes, visors, whatever it may be,” Haley said. “Myles Garrett hitting the quarterback low, hitting the quarterback in the head, it’s happening too much. It’s not just a fluke.” Haley may have sour grapes toward Kitchens as the man who took his job last year, but that doesn’t mean he’s wrong: The Browns have been an undisciplined team, and Kitchens deserves the criticism he’s taking for that."

I get that the lettuce is cool and helps people get through their days and pain, but the choice between 10s of millions of dollars and blazin up for some relief or escape is just utter insanity. These players could spend 40K a year max to devise a perfect plan or pay someone to be their personal "make sure I don't piss dirty while I enjoy weed assistant." Tons of players partake in the league the same way the general population does. The one's that get caught are usually the guys that just can't get it together unfortunately. The truth is.. with what Callaway has experienced in life the medicinal aspect may help him some, but more than that counseling and professionalism guides would've maybe helped him stay on the right track toward making millions.

We knew it was coming but sheesh... means Myles will have to go through reinstatement process... I think Larry O wins his appeal of the suspension but not the fine. All he did was push a guy to the ground. That happens all the time. NFL might not want let him win his appeal but the Players Association likely secures the win for Larry on the suspension but not the fine.

Some ancient astronaut theorists have also theorized that the author himself predicted it...

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----- The Real Sh*t ... It's simple: Leading the league in penalties was baked in/part of the plan/recipe during the Hue era; Leading the league in penalties was not baked in part of the plan/recipe during the Freddie era If you plan/have a recipe to bake a vanilla cake and you buy all the ingredients and mix and prepare them successfully per the instructions, you'd expect for your cake to taste like a vanilla cake and you'd be disappointed if it didn't taste like a vanilla cake. You'd then start to question maybe the Cake Brand, if the instructions were wrong, or if one of your ingredients was the reason for the Cake not coming out how it was planned to. If you have a plan to bake a Historical losing money-ball Cake with the explicit goal of getting high draft picks for 2 years and then try to start winning in year 3, and you successfully buy, mix in, and prepare those ingredients (i.e., talent deficient rookie QBs Cody Kessler and Deshone Kizer, 13 and 16 Starters out of 22 total Starters being in their 1st or 2nd year, mostly talent deficient street free agents 2 depth and/or roster-wide talent deficient players like Bryce Treggs, Kasen Williams,Kenny Britt, the list goes on, etc), you'd expect the cake to taste like historical losing and misery. So, ultimately it just never made sense to me with how dismayed people were when our historical losing misery cake recipe came out as it was intended and the desire was to just blame the coach instead of blaming the coach and all the other elements. Leading the league in penalties is part of the recipe. Look at the plan we have now, the ingredients we have, and what the cake looks like. The plan/reciple is a winning plan, the ingredients are numerous high-level, top 8 at their position, pro-bowl, all-pro level players (OBJ, Jarvis Landry, Nick Chubb, Joel Bitonio, Denzel Ward, Myles Garrett, Larry Ogunjobi, Olivier Vernon, Sheldon Richardson, JC Tretter, Joe Schobert, Demarious Randall, Terrance Mitchell etc), quality veterans and not just rookies everywhere, quality depth, a high level draft pick talented QB, a competent Front Office. We mix up the ingredients and go to taste our winning cake recipe and it taste like we grabbed the wrong box off the shelf and accidentally bought a losing record, underperforming cake recipe, it's reasonable to question the Coach. Leading the league in penalties is not part of the recipe. ---- On the Hue era: All I ever wanted was rational football conversation during the Hue era and the Freddie era. I hated unjust/illegitimate criticisms of Hue as much as I hate unjust/illegitimate criticisms of Freddie. The takes that just use coach blame as an excuse not to reason out football analysis and just lose oneself in the feel-goodism of blaming a simple black and white answer to issues that are so simple .. I've always thought and argued that they are ridiculous. Despite my numerous post and titled threads like "Legitimate Versus Illegitimate Criticism of Hue," it was easy to paint me as just a Hue apologists in the misery of losing and miss out on the long, non-quality post I had that most of the time highlighted legitimate critiques of Hue. I guess it took some high level non-reptilian mind to understand my numerous nuanced post about Hue back era. All my post were simple: 1.) There are Legitimate Vs Illegitimate Criticisms of Hue/Freddie... I pushed back against the illegitimate and elevated the legit based on my perspective, 2.) The organizational plan was to achieve 2 years of historic losing so why are we just blaming the coach when the plan manifests itself, 3.) Our roster was either talent deficient or rookie/inexperienced and when those roster's are led by less talented rookie QBs it's a guarantee that historic losing will follow. -------

It's sooo unfair to blame Freddie for our team being the most penalized team in football. You obviously just hate Freddie and have an agenda. Players control penalties; coaches have nothing to do with it. Freddie said it himself "He doesn't coach penalties." So, end of story. He's a good to great coach. A lot of you guys criticizing him are just miserable fans. I mean.. wake-up man. Geesh. We beat the Mason Rudolph Steelers after and had it 14-7 all game. We had that 1 really good Ravens win this season. We beat the Jets and the amazing QB Josh Allen led Buffalo Bills by a few points at home. Beat the Steelres+the Ravens in the same season == Freddie doesn't deserve criticism and if you do criticize him you're miserable. Did I mention we beat the Mason Rudolph Steelers and Ravens in the same year.. So what we were totally undisciplined and penalty prone all game again. That's the Steelers fault. We're 4-6. After we go out and beat the Dolphins and Bengals twice maybe then you'll finally stop being so miserable and finally acknowledge how good our coaching is.

I saw 2 whiffs. To be fair, I watched Hubbard more, but those were my first impressions of the game. Will see if that changes after I watch the coaches film. To say it was their best game doesn't mean they were great. I thought both battled against Watt and Dupree. Will see what is and what isn't after film review.

The old press conference win gamechanger aye...

Some Take-aways for now: 1.) Kareem Hunt is a game changer. His usage in the passing game as an extension of the running game with quick rhythm throws and/or delayed routes out the backfield will be the saving grace of this season. When went away from that in favor of just running it off Teller and Hubbard with Chubb our offense came to a complete hault.. 2.) We're improving in a lot of areas but a long way off from consistent winning execution and chemistry. It hasn't cost us big in the 2nd half of the season because of our opponents. We won't get right with Baker and the WRs until the offseason when they invest in their chemistry and success by grinding long days of film and discussions and passing understanding together. 3.) The right side of our line gets no push in the run game and displaced backwards in the pass game. We ran to that side too much. 4.) Morgan Burnett balled out and his loss will hurt more than we ever would've thought heading into the season. 5.) Mason Rudolph's nickname should be Dr. Feel Good. He's not good at all and the Steelers offense is terrible (especially with injuries). He's legit one of my favorite QBs in history. 6.) Greg Robinson and Chris Hubbard played their best game of the season. 7.) Baker's pocket awareness took a step forward in this game. 8.) Jarvis said we played "scared" (to lose) a little bit in the 2nd half. It did seem like we got a little tight. 9.) It's hard to figure out how bad/good we are when going against an opponent like we did tonight along with the injuries they experienced.