Ward4HOF Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, CKSteeler said: And I don't even want to hear about a transition tag. Just let the moron walk at this point. I completely agree. We are getting a 3rd Rd Pick in the 2020 draft, yeah? If we transition him, then try to trade him, we are stuck dealing with teams that can afford him, then we are actually helping him out, after he literally shat on our team. Nope. Let him try to get a better deal, after... 1) Conner has proven to be the better RB than Bell, all things being equal, for the most part... 2) He just showed 31 other GMs/Teams, that he's unreasonable, and doesn't 'play' within the confines of the CBA... 3) He just showed EVERYONE, that he's basically, an idiot, for giving up $14.5M, and in the process, providing an opportunity for another RB to show that it's more the about the OL, than the Bell's talent 4) He's just ticked off, I'm estimating, at least half the players on his team, who have most assuredly already talked to other players around the league, and well...you see where I'm going...his reputation has taken a big hit--he's shown to be a "ME, ME, ME" person, who deosn't give a darn about other players on his team. All it takes is for one stupid GM to pay him, but I'd bet 'donuts-to-dollars', he doesn't get any better than a 2yr/$30M prove it deal, with no more than $15-18M guaranteed. He would have to clear a contract worth $30M guaranteed, to make up for the $15M he lost, and the $15M guaranteed the Steelers offered him. What are the chances of that happening during this next FA with all the above?? That is what he's banking on. Have fun, LeVeon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Ward4HOF said: I completely agree. We are getting a 3rd Rd Pick in the 2020 draft, yeah? If we transition him, then try to trade him, we are stuck dealing with teams that can afford him, then we are actually helping him out, after he literally shat on our team. If we keep FA spending in check and don’t bring in enough contracts to offset the FAs we lose. I was talking with a student of mine who does work for the Redskins and is usually really plugged in on this stuff. He said it wouldn’t be shocking if there was a “back room deal” by all three parties that Bell would sit out 2018, the Steelers use the transition tag in 2019, and it’s a sign, match, and trade. He said from the NFLs standpoint that’s the biggest “saving face” that can happen. Why? Now teams have a “failsafe” to this loophole. Players get their “failsafe” in getting the value they want. And the NFL gets the “failsafe” of neither side trying for arbitration. This guy has told me stuff like this before and hasn’t lead me the wrong way yet. He know enough through his position to know what’s going on the the NFL to say these things confidently. He’s told me before that you won’t believe the number of times the NFL has “brokered” these “back room” deals between players and teams. And it really started with the TO situation in Philly. The NFL started to get a bit involved so things like that didn’t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VigilantZombie Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I have a bad feeling that the gamble that Le'Veon Bell has partaken will pay off. Having said that I do really think that it won't because general managers and owners around the league have to consider what it would mean for organization's sure do they give Le'Veon Bell what he wants. It will completely eliminate any real negotiating power that teams have. However if Le'Veon Bell's camel does not pay off and he is not offered more than he was offered here no other player will dare do what he did again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 In a show of stupidity of most people I’m gonna link a Twitter convo. One of them is me (hmm hard to tell who). Read on for the convo from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 crazy how Brown is on pace for 18 touchdowns in a "down" yr for him lol ben is on pace for a career high in TD passes, brown is on pace to break the steelers record for TD catches in a season, and I think conner is on pace to break the rushing TD record for the steelers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, warfelg said: In a show of stupidity of most people I’m gonna link a Twitter convo. One of them is me (hmm hard to tell who). Read on for the convo from there. AB is averaging about 21 less yards a game this year then last year's first 9 games BUT he has SEVEN more TDs. Give me the points! Further evidence supporting your stance is that JuJu has 100 more yards this season then he and Bryant had combined in the 1st 9 games last season, JJ has 344 yards this year compared to 372 all of last year and Vance has 390 yards this year compared to 188 yards all last year. Something's gotta give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 "don't have a RB1/WR 2 on the field" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelers22 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Legitimate question: Can somebody explain to me why there is still talk about the steelers placing the transition tag on bell? Do you guys think that's just smoke or is that something they may actually do? That move would make 0 sense to me. Conner has been as good, if not better, than bell & costs nothing. Time for both parties to move on. Why keep dragging this out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chieferific Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steelers22 said: Legitimate question: Can somebody explain to me why there is still talk about the steelers placing the transition tag on bell? Do you guys think that's just smoke or is that something they may actually do? That move would make 0 sense to me. Conner has been as good, if not better, than bell is costs nothing. Time for both parties to move on. Why keep dragging this out? As @warfelg mentioned, they would do it for a sign and trade. That way you have more control where he goes and possibly get more compensation. With that said, I don't think that will happen. Like you, I think they just want to cut bait and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywlker32 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, August4th said: "don't have a RB1/WR 2 on the field" Funny how it's ignored that Ben is on pace for the most yards in a season for his career. Yes, we clearly miss Bell so much in the passing game that Ben is throwing for >35 yards per game more than either of the last two years. The last time Ben was averaging more yards per game? 2015 when Bell played all of 6 games. 2015 (and 2007, but that was pre-Bell) was also the only year that Ben had a better passer rating than he does this year. Ben's completion% is up over the last two years also, with 2014 being the only year aside from 2015 during Bell's tenure that Ben had a higher completion%. Ben is on pace to have more TDs than any time in his career by the end of week 14. YPA/Int% are up over the last two years also. But clearly, we are missing Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, August4th said: crazy how Brown is on pace for 18 touchdowns in a "down" yr for him lol ben is on pace for a career high in TD passes, brown is on pace to break the steelers record for TD catches in a season, and I think conner is on pace to break the rushing TD record for the steelers... Bell never had stats like conner and AB is on pace to get more TD's than he has in the past. RB might be devalued as long as the rest of the pieces are in place ( HOF QB, HOF WR and 3 pro bowlers on the OL) Pay bell $30M per season on the worst OL, lets see how that goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Chieferific said: AB is averaging about 21 less yards a game this year then last year's first 9 games BUT he has SEVEN more TDs. Give me the points! Further evidence supporting your stance is that JuJu has 100 more yards this season then he and Bryant had combined in the 1st 9 games last season, JJ has 344 yards this year compared to 372 all of last year and Vance has 390 yards this year compared to 188 yards all last year. Something's gotta give. It's because a lot of non-Steeler fans want to have an agenda that we still need Bell Obviously ground production is still there so they can't pick on that point anymore, so they are moving to Brown's production as to hit at the absence of Bell is making it harder to pass. Obviously when you look more at it, that's false too. As has been pointed out, our real WR2 (not RB catching balls) is up with Juju over Bryant. Juju is also more consistent. That means our WR3 is down (by moving Juju out) in production, but the combination of WR2+WR3 is actually up. TE production is WAY up. The 'hit' to Brown's personal stats is more than made up in other places. But it also cracks me up that when Brown has the outbursts, they call him selfish (Yes Bucky Brooks was one of those people); but at the same time they point to that loss of the production and say it's because your missing someone. So which is it? Was Brown selfish or was his production down because someone wasn't there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward4HOF Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Chieferific said: As @warfelg mentioned, they would do it for a sign and trade. That way you have more control where he goes and possibly get more compensation. With that said, I don't think that will happen. Like you, I think they just want to cut bait and move on. I agree. What Warfelg mentioned makes perfect sense, and I know why his buddy in the Redskins' organization feels that way, but let's say we transition him, and no one gives him the contract he wants for the several reasons I listed above...then what??? We are 'stuck' with a player, that doesn't want to be here, that won't 'play' for that transition tag, (I'm assuming he can do the same thing he did with the Franchise tag and just sit out and not play), and we go through this circus again--will he show...will he not...why are the Steelers such meanies...on and on...and Bucky Brooks?? He needs to look beyond TWO players, before he opens his mouth and makes a fool of himself...what an idiot!! No, AB likely will not get his 5th consecutive 1st Tm All-Pro, and he'll 'drop' from the laurels of the 'best WR in football' lists (because, again, fools only can see one or two stats, and make judgment on those, but whatever), but the bottom line is, the dude is scoring...IN the RZ...how beautiful is that!! I'm fine with AB becoming our new RZ specialist for the next 3-4 years...he 'only' racks up about 1000 yds, but in turn, brings in 14-18 TDs a season...ummm...yeah, I'll take that all day over a 1500yd season with 10 TDs; because JuJu will have about 1300 yds. Hopefully AB's ego can handle that change. Just think--at the end of last season, he was somewhere around 85th career all-time in Receiving TDs...now he's 46th, and just 1 TD away from the great Andre Johnson...just 5 behind Torry Holt...6 behind HoFer James Lofton...12 behind Steve Smith, and 13 behind Reggie Wayne (both potentially soon-to-be HoFers)...thank about that. By the end of NEXT season, he could outpace Hines Ward in yds and TDs. Crazy... ...sorry there I go again on one of my tangents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Ward4HOF said: I agree. What Warfelg mentioned makes perfect sense, and I know why his buddy in the Redskins' organization feels that way, but let's say we transition him, and no one gives him the contract he wants for the several reasons I listed above...then what??? We are 'stuck' with a player, that doesn't want to be here, that won't 'play' for that transition tag, (I'm assuming he can do the same thing he did with the Franchise tag and just sit out and not play), and we go through this circus again--will he show...will he not...why are the Steelers such meanies...on and on...and Bucky Brooks?? He needs to look beyond TWO players, before he opens his mouth and makes a fool of himself...what an idiot!! 1 - Someone will give him a contract. 2 - This guy is one of the guys that does NFL Offices communications for the team. The last time he heard something like this was the Brees situation with New Orleans, and he said there was an agreement that they wouldn't tag him because of it being the 3rd time, but he would also "refuse" to negotiate with anyone else. He also told me the communications for the Alex Smith trade was setup within the NFL so they could move on from Kirk Cousins. 3 - We won't get stuck with him. There were urgings from the NFL to transition tag Bell for 2018, and they didn't listen to them. He said he knew of 2 teams willing to sign Bell and give up 2 1sts (he wouldn't say which teams, but I think it was Seattle and Philadelphia). I think if the NFL hints to the team to transition tag him, that means teams know that the Steelers are unlikely to let him walk for no compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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