sryan66611 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, REDandPEWTER said:    Nice, this is pretty much it. I agree on the Mariota part though I'd take him over most the people he named except probably Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDandPEWTER Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 hours ago, sryan66611 said: Nice, this is pretty much it. I agree on the Mariota part though I'd take him over most the people he named except probably Darnold. Mariota is only 23-24 years old. Darnold to me is Winstonâs without the off field issue. He struggled with turnovers at USC and I donât see thatâs changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Eisenâs argument seems to boil down to âMariota is young, he can get betterâ, as if that doesnât apply to Winston or anyone else. The knock on Mariota was that everything at Oregon was either a pre snap or single read and that he couldnât go through his progression. Year 4 and Eisen reckons thatâs still a problem. Both Winston and Mariota have been disappointments and if weâre honest, we were screwed either way. We picked the guy with the higher ceiling and lower floor and, at this stage, it looks like it hasnât worked. We learn, we move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDandPEWTER Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Buc Ball said: Eisenâs argument seems to boil down to âMariota is young, he can get betterâ, as if that doesnât apply to Winston or anyone else. The knock on Mariota was that everything at Oregon was either a pre snap or single read and that he couldnât go through his progression. Year 4 and Eisen reckons thatâs still a problem. Both Winston and Mariota have been disappointments and if weâre honest, we were screwed either way. We picked the guy with the higher ceiling and lower floor and, at this stage, it looks like it hasnât worked. We learn, we move on. There was never a knock on Mariota going through progressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buc Ball Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, REDandPEWTER said: There was never a knock on Mariota going through progressions. It was pretty obvious from the offensive scheme he played in at Oregon that he didnât typically have a long progression to go through. It was a concern of quite a few coaches I know and the general feeling was heâd need to land in the right scheme and be brought along slowly to have a chance. Interestingly, they thought Winston had no chance since he was a RS sophomore and didnât have enough experience playing in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: Â I did wonder how they were going to get around the obvious issue this week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDandPEWTER Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Buc Ball said: It was pretty obvious from the offensive scheme he played in at Oregon that he didnât typically have a long progression to go through. It was a concern of quite a few coaches I know and the general feeling was heâd need to land in the right scheme and be brought along slowly to have a chance. Interestingly, they thought Winston had no chance since he was a RS sophomore and didnât have enough experience playing in college. THe thing is Mariota is atleast going to go on and be a 10-12 year starter in this league that may get better but heâll be in the average to good category in Tennessee if he stays healthy. Heâs better than winston without the weapons.  While winston is going to be out of town and probably out of the league. Again, we would have been better off with Mariota over winston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lil' Shorty Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 20 hours ago, ravishingone said: You have to chuckle at this amount of organizational dysfunction. Â I ll watch the games like everyone else, but Black Monday can t come soon enough. I like Koetter in general but this kind of garbage is why he shouldnât and wonât be a HC again in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 33 minutes ago, REDandPEWTER said: THe thing is Mariota is atleast going to go on and be a 10-12 year starter in this league that may get better but heâll be in the average to good category in Tennessee if he stays healthy. Heâs better than winston without the weapons.  While winston is going to be out of town and probably out of the league. Again, we would have been better off with Mariota over winston. Is he though? If Mariota continues at the level heâs at, Tennessee will likely move on before then. They got a game manager at #2. The âweaponsâ argument is always a disingenuous one.  Mariota has a solid to good oline and a good running game to work with. Winston historically had a bad oline and no running game to speak of. Iâd rather give a young QB a good running game than a good receiving corps as a starting point. We were pretty much guaranteed a game manager with Mariota, but regardless of which one we drafted, we wouldnât have (and havenât) got what we needed from the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I've seen some thrillers between the Bucs and 'Skins; Tampa Bay's 36-35 win over them back in 2005 is a personal favorite. I look forward to seeing this one, because Washington is off to a surprisingly good start despite their shortcomings and I don't think the Bucs are as weak as the 3-5 record indicates. I was disappointed with how they stumbled after that amazing start in Week 1. There's plenty of time for Fitz and Co to cobble together a good season, but to do that they will have to win games like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ravishingone Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 The streak continues for Cappa. Â Hey, Spence could....., forget it who am I kidding, same old, same old đ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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