lancerman Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 hours ago, GSUeagles14 said: why are some NE fans pretending this isnt a legit question? Brady is now 41 and just had his 2nd to worst season (in comparison to his peers) since the super early days. I wont doubt him in the playoffs until we see the same level of play that he had this year. Gronk seems washed, that have really no outside talent with Gordon gone, the rb as a group is really good and they still have an elite coach they can scheme things for them. Based only on this year, who really sees them as a legit threat? Because it isn’t. Every week all season the OP makes a thread or two either crying about the AFC East, crying about the Patriots getting a bye, asking if this is the year they finally don’t a bye, if Brady is declining, etc. This is just another variation of the same tired old thread again. Trust me, Eagles fans wouldn’t be as kind if the same poster all season spammed the board with negative threads. But let’s take your post at face value: “Based only on this year, who really sees them as a legit threat?” ... idk... probably all the teams that made the playoffs and lost to them. The Bears who are the defense in the league that lost to them, the Chiefs that are the number one seed in the AFC and have the likely MVP and lost to them, the Texans who are one of the top 3 teams in the AFC. The Colts who lost to them. On whole AFC side they beat 3 of the 5 teams that made the playoffs. Then you have the Chargers and Ravens, who will knock one or the other out before they have the chance to get to the Patriots. So really they beat 3 of 4 teams they will realistically play in the AFC. Yeah Brady’s old we get it. At some point he will see a decline. Nobody knows when that is. People have been betting on that for 5 years now. He just led one of the lesser Patriots teams he’s had to a bye week, largely because they beat a bunch of good teams. His stats are pretty much on par with his 2014 season. Idk I’d probably just wait until it actually happens at this point rather than always assuming it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 3 hours ago, lancerman said: Because it isn’t. Every week all season the OP makes a thread or two either crying about the AFC East, crying about the Patriots getting a bye, asking if this is the year they finally don’t a bye, if Brady is declining, etc. This is just another variation of the same tired old thread again. Trust me, Eagles fans wouldn’t be as kind if the same poster all season spammed the board with negative threads. But let’s take your post at face value: “Based only on this year, who really sees them as a legit threat?” ... idk... probably all the teams that made the playoffs and lost to them. The Bears who are the defense in the league that lost to them, the Chiefs that are the number one seed in the AFC and have the likely MVP and lost to them, the Texans who are one of the top 3 teams in the AFC. The Colts who lost to them. On whole AFC side they beat 3 of the 5 teams that made the playoffs. Then you have the Chargers and Ravens, who will knock one or the other out before they have the chance to get to the Patriots. So really they beat 3 of 4 teams they will realistically play in the AFC. Yeah Brady’s old we get it. At some point he will see a decline. Nobody knows when that is. People have been betting on that for 5 years now. He just led one of the lesser Patriots teams he’s had to a bye week, largely because they beat a bunch of good teams. His stats are pretty much on par with his 2014 season. Idk I’d probably just wait until it actually happens at this point rather than always assuming it happened. wait, youre actually arguing this wasnt a subpar year by brady standards? he had basically an average year by any qb standard, given his age its not far fetched to say the decline has already begun. but i guess logic is a patriot hater too. i believe theyll be playing either baltimore or la, assuming either team escapes major injury ill bet you $100 and give you better odds than the sportsbooks that they lose that game. im sure youll take that since theyre such a legit threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: wait, youre actually arguing this wasnt a subpar year by brady standards? he had basically an average year by any qb standard, given his age its not far fetched to say the decline has already begun. but i guess logic is a patriot hater too. i believe theyll be playing either baltimore or la, assuming either team escapes major injury ill bet you $100 and give you better odds than the sportsbooks that they lose that game. im sure youll take that since theyre such a legit threat. Did I say that this wasn't a sub standard year? Of course it would be. As of last week his most consistent WR was leading the league in drops, Gronk declined from his typical self and can't get seperation anymore, Gordon did not start the year, had an adustment period, and then didn't finish the year. When that's going on with your top 3 pass catchers, any QB is having a down year, it doesn't matter who. Are his mechanics any different? No not really. Is he getting injured more? No not really. He's doing the exact same thing he did in 2013 when his receivers had lots of drops. You're just putting things in my mouth to make the discussion easier for you. We've seen this like 5 years ago from Brady under similar WR flux. They are going to transition that offense. a lot this offseason. As they have done in the past This is statistically the same as his 2014 year where he won the Super Bowl. And yeah he still was good enough to win the Super Bowl. So you think the Texans are going to lose to the Colts in the playoffs? Let's just take that as a given. Yeah I'd bet money that they'd beat either the Chargers or the Ravens. The Patriots played and beat as good or better teams than they beat. It's ridiculous to say that the number 2 seed in a conference, that already beat the number 1, 3 and 6 seed as well as the best defense in the other conference is not a threat. It's terrible logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 hours ago, lancerman said: Did I say that this wasn't a sub standard year? Of course it would be. As of last week his most consistent WR was leading the league in drops, Gronk declined from his typical self and can't get seperation anymore, Gordon did not start the year, had an adustment period, and then didn't finish the year. When that's going on with your top 3 pass catchers, any QB is having a down year, it doesn't matter who. Are his mechanics any different? No not really. Is he getting injured more? No not really. He's doing the exact same thing he did in 2013 when his receivers had lots of drops. You're just putting things in my mouth to make the discussion easier for you. We've seen this like 5 years ago from Brady under similar WR flux. They are going to transition that offense. a lot this offseason. As they have done in the past This is statistically the same as his 2014 year where he won the Super Bowl. And yeah he still was good enough to win the Super Bowl. So you think the Texans are going to lose to the Colts in the playoffs? Let's just take that as a given. Yeah I'd bet money that they'd beat either the Chargers or the Ravens. The Patriots played and beat as good or better teams than they beat. It's ridiculous to say that the number 2 seed in a conference, that already beat the number 1, 3 and 6 seed as well as the best defense in the other conference is not a threat. It's terrible logic so brady had a sub standard year but it isnt a decline. Its just everyone elses fault but his. Doesnt matter hes now 5 years older, doesnt matter his production hit 5-7 year lows in most metrics, its just because of the wrs. you said numerous times that people keep waiting for bradys decline, the easiest and most likely answer is we've already begun to see it. And while I forgot about Houston and think they should be favored (and win) that matchup, lets assume indy does win. What amount are we betting, like i said ill give you better odds than you can get from sports books, say anywhere from $100-$250. Should be a really easy bet since youre so confident that they are a legit threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, GSUeagles14 said: so brady had a sub standard year but it isnt a decline. Its just everyone elses fault but his. Doesnt matter hes now 5 years older, doesnt matter his production hit 5-7 year lows in most metrics, its just because of the wrs. you said numerous times that people keep waiting for bradys decline, the easiest and most likely answer is we've already begun to see it. And while I forgot about Houston and think they should be favored (and win) that matchup, lets assume indy does win. What amount are we betting, like i said ill give you better odds than you can get from sports books, say anywhere from $100-$250. Should be a really easy bet since youre so confident that they are a legit threat. Jesus. Brady had a sub standard year in 2009 and 2013. I’d argue he was worse in 2013. Was he in decline then? Because he won MVP’s we Super Bowls after. That’s what your logic is leading to. QB’s always fluctuate and have up years and down years. Statistically this was a down year but not really a significant deviation from the average. The rest of your argument is equally as bad. Are you going to deny that Edelman missed the first four games and that despite playing a 75% of the season was one of the league leaders in dropped passes. Are you going to deny that Gronk had a massive down year and went from being the best TE to arguably our if the top 5. Are you going to deny that the best WR on the team neither started nor finished the season. Are you going to deny that they released one of his hallmark pass catchers in Amendola to start the off season. That one RB Burkhead started the season on IR and another in Michel missed time during the season. Are you going to ignore that several receivers on training camp like Matthews, Britt and Decker were released either do to injury and poor play and that contributed to flux at the WR position? I can’t help you if you have information that can explain why a QB might have a down year and then you choose to deliberately ignore it because it doesn’t support the decision you already made. The easiest and most likely answer is that Brady had a down year, not unlike other down years he’s had in the past, due to the factors above. Similar factors resulted in 2013. Unless you’d like to show some difference in his fundamentals, progressions, or velocity. But I really doubt you would be able to go that deep based on the content of our previous conversations in this thread. As far as betting what are you saying constitutes a legit threat? Winning in the divisional round and being in the AFCCG? I mean they already beat 3 of the 5 teams in their conferences playoffs. Like really what’s your argument. It’s been rather paper thin and not much to analyze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 No, last year was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeptunePenguins Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I would rate them as the 3rd best team in the NFL this year, and the 2nd best in the AFC. Better than the Chiefs for sure and slightly better than San Diego. I just think Chicago is the best team right now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, lancerman said: Jesus. Brady had a sub standard year in 2009 and 2013. I’d argue he was worse in 2013. Was he in decline then? Because he won MVP’s we Super Bowls after. That’s what your logic is leading to. QB’s always fluctuate and have up years and down years. Statistically this was a down year but not really a significant deviation from the average. The rest of your argument is equally as bad. Are you going to deny that Edelman missed the first four games and that despite playing a 75% of the season was one of the league leaders in dropped passes. Are you going to deny that Gronk had a massive down year and went from being the best TE to arguably our if the top 5. Are you going to deny that the best WR on the team neither started nor finished the season. Are you going to deny that they released one of his hallmark pass catchers in Amendola to start the off season. That one RB Burkhead started the season on IR and another in Michel missed time during the season. Are you going to ignore that several receivers on training camp like Matthews, Britt and Decker were released either do to injury and poor play and that contributed to flux at the WR position? I can’t help you if you have information that can explain why a QB might have a down year and then you choose to deliberately ignore it because it doesn’t support the decision you already made. The easiest and most likely answer is that Brady had a down year, not unlike other down years he’s had in the past, due to the factors above. Similar factors resulted in 2013. Unless you’d like to show some difference in his fundamentals, progressions, or velocity. But I really doubt you would be able to go that deep based on the content of our previous conversations in this thread. As far as betting what are you saying constitutes a legit threat? Winning in the divisional round and being in the AFCCG? I mean they already beat 3 of the 5 teams in their conferences playoffs. Like really what’s your argument. It’s been rather paper thin and not much to analyze. do we need to go into the history of qbs over 40? why are you being purposely dense, brady has a down year, brady is older. this isnt complicated. its laughable that you bring up names such as decker and britt as to why he may have stuggled, i mean really? Who was bradys great weapons in 2016, julian edelman and martellus bennett? sorry that bradys in decline, sorry that you feel you need to ignore the obvious so you can feel better about the pats future. The facts are brady has had sub par weapons in the recent past and performed very well. now he plays poorly (for him/average for most) and its everyone elses fault. Im also curious as to why age would affect ability to go through progressions and decision making. care to shed some light on that one? Anyway, im not sure why you were unsure about this but my argument is that brady is already in decline. a legit threat would mean a reasonable chance to win the sb. you keep on avoiding a really simple question, what re we betting since youre so confident. Its no lose, right? Its easy to just talk out your you no what until theres something actually at stake. So obviously we'll have to wait until next week but i look forward to coming up with the odds and monetary stakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: do we need to go into the history of qbs over 40? why are you being purposely dense, brady has a down year, brady is older. this isnt complicated. its laughable that you bring up names such as decker and britt as to why he may have stuggled, i mean really? Who was bradys great weapons in 2016, julian edelman and martellus bennett? sorry that bradys in decline, sorry that you feel you need to ignore the obvious so you can feel better about the pats future. The facts are brady has had sub par weapons in the recent past and performed very well. now he plays poorly (for him/average for most) and its everyone elses fault. Im also curious as to why age would affect ability to go through progressions and decision making. care to shed some light on that one? Anyway, im not sure why you were unsure about this but my argument is that brady is already in decline. a legit threat would mean a reasonable chance to win the sb. you keep on avoiding a really simple question, what re we betting since youre so confident. Its no lose, right? Its easy to just talk out your you no what until theres something actually at stake. So obviously we'll have to wait until next week but i look forward to coming up with the odds and monetary stakes. You shouldn’t be calling people purposefully dense when you refuse to even consider any of the context of the team because it undermines your hypothesis. You made up your mind so you are trying to fit everything into your theory and ignoring copious evidence to the contrary. Sorry you can’t be taken seriously. Your initial post asked why Pats fans didn’t take this thread seriously. I gave you the answer. The OP is a troll who obsessively posts about the Pats to the point where most of the board didn’t know which team he was a fan of. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. You no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. You had a trash weak argument and you just hand waved any information to the contrary because it didn’t help your cause. It’s no longer worthwhile debate and has very little value to me anymore. Have a good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, lancerman said: You shouldn’t be calling people purposefully dense when you refuse to even consider any of the context of the team because it undermines your hypothesis. You made up your mind so you are trying to fit everything into your theory and ignoring copious evidence to the contrary. Sorry you can’t be taken seriously. Your initial post asked why Pats fans didn’t take this thread seriously. I gave you the answer. The OP is a troll who obsessively posts about the Pats to the point where most of the board didn’t know which team he was a fan of. He doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. You no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. You had a trash weak argument and you just hand waved any information to the contrary because it didn’t help your cause. It’s no longer worthwhile debate and has very little value to me anymore. Have a good day Good job on bailing out, must just be another patriot hater cause i realize Brady is older and his decline cannot be written off to things that he has consistently overcome in the past. Completely transparent attempt, and as i suspected you yourself have no real confidence in the pats... when faced having to risk something of actual value and not just words on a silly message board you run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 02/01/2019 at 1:56 AM, GSUeagles14 said: why are some NE fans pretending this isnt a legit question? Brady is now 41 and just had his 2nd to worst season (in comparison to his peers) since the super early days. I wont doubt him in the playoffs until we see the same level of play that he had this year. Gronk seems washed, that have really no outside talent with Gordon gone, the rb as a group is really good and they still have an elite coach they can scheme things for them. Based only on this year, who really sees them as a legit threat? It is a legit question. The problem is, the poster has one of these threads every week. Last one was 'is this the year NE has a WC game', or 'is this TB and BB's final year together'. Legit questions, but asked ALL the time. If we could just package all his threads up and put them into one super Pats-PMS-Angst thread, that would be great. Especially seeing that us, as Pats fans, get criticised for bringing our team up in Gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 6:36 AM, Nabbs4u said: Gut reaction, Yes. Reality anything is possible so long as that tandem is still together. So in short, No. Agree with this post. It looks that way, but I'm never really going to count Tom Terrific out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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