pheltzbahr Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) Yes, the way that rule is worded it looks like it refers to a rookie contract was ripped up and a new contract signed. Most of the contracts in the last few years have been signed as extensions IRL. Edited January 22, 2019 by pheltzbahr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, pheltzbahr said: I actually went back to the 2017 Sheet where he is listed as 686/2, so he was not an RFA in 2018. Just out of curiosity how was he acquired? His draft year was 2015, same as Diggs. They both had 4 year entry level contracts that they signed a 5 year extension. The only difference that may have happened is that Hunter was taken later in the BDL draft which would make sense but then he would be RFA/extension eligible sooner than Diggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Also assuming that he still had time left on his deal somehow I'm still unclear how 1) he was able to use a 2019 3up or 2) he could 3up a player with years left on his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: Just out of curiosity how was he acquired? His draft year was 2015, same as Diggs. They both had 4 year entry level contracts that they signed a 5 year extension. The only difference that may have happened is that Hunter was taken later in the BDL draft which would make sense but then he would be RFA/extension eligible sooner than Diggs. 12 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: Also assuming that he still had time left on his deal somehow I'm still unclear how 1) he was able to use a 2019 3up or 2) he could 3up a player with years left on his deal. The last roster sheet I have is from 2016, and Diggs had 2 years at 629/year left on his BDL deal and Hunter had 3 years at 686/year left on his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheltzbahr Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Jlash said: The last roster sheet I have is from 2016, and Diggs had 2 years at 629/year left on his BDL deal and Hunter had 3 years at 686/year left on his deal. The only thing I can think of is that Hunter was picked with a 4 year deal slot and Diggs with a 3 yr deal in the draft. We used to have 3 yr deals at the end of the draft. Edited January 23, 2019 by pheltzbahr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hockey5djh said: Just out of curiosity how was he acquired? His draft year was 2015, same as Diggs. They both had 4 year entry level contracts that they signed a 5 year extension. The only difference that may have happened is that Hunter was taken later in the BDL draft which would make sense but then he would be RFA/extension eligible sooner than Diggs. Both were drafted in 2015 in the NFL and BDL. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mUSjSAALn2-OGGYJF3PBSHCFBHgugRI9jcyNYJ0HaxY/edit#gid=1443509241 In the BDL, I drafted Hunter in the 4th round (4.15) and players drafted in rounds 2-4 have 4 year deals. Diggs was drafted in the BDL 5th round (5.3) and rounds 5-7 have 3 year contracts intentionally to feed into the BDL RFA system. So that is why Diggs was a BDL RFA in 2018 and Hunter was not. The reason Diggs was not extendable last season was because he already had a status of Signed as an RFA and couldn't be resigned to another contract per our BDL rules. So getting rid of Year round 3 ups isn't going to solve that problem. What will is allowing anyone that is signed on a 1 year contract to be eligible for a 3 Up if you have the cap space and they sign an extension IRL during the summer. That's what I will be proposing during the Summer Owners Meetings Revision of the rules. Edited January 23, 2019 by SirA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) GODDAMN my 2015 draft was horrific. My first PFA died in mini camp. edit: RIP Tray Walker. Edited January 23, 2019 by Jlash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, pheltzbahr said: The only thing I can think of is that Hunter was picked with a 4 year deal slot and Diggs with a 3 yr deal in the draft. We used to have 3 yr deals at the end of the draft. We still do have 3 year deals in rounds 5-7. Mostly to give owners an out on guys that don't pan out as those rounds are a total crap shoot both IRL and the BDL. But also to make it so there are at least a few guys in RFA available each year. Now one of the other things I am proposing during the Summer Owners Meetings is a reduction in rounds for the draft to 5 rounds total. At that point they could all be 4 year deals and we just roll with the current 5th year option rules we have. Instead of rounds 6-7 I think adding another round of PFA Scramble (3 total) should help owners make better decisions on players after knowing where they go IRL. We could even make PFA picks tradable like Comp Picks are now in the NFL. This would still give us a reasonable RFA pool because all those PFA's would go through the ERFA/RFA system like PFA's do now. Edited January 23, 2019 by SirA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, SirA1 said: Now one of the other things I am proposing during the Summer Owners Meetings is a reduction in rounds for the draft to 5 rounds total. At that point they could all be 4 year deals and we just roll with the current 5th year option rules we have. Instead of rounds 6-7 I think adding another round of PFA Scramble (3 total) should help owners make better decisions on players after knowing where they go IRL. We could even make PFA picks tradable like Comp Picks are now in the NFL This would have to be a change (if ever voted in) to put into place years from now, because it's a huge change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Trade Block: As for whether Patrick Mahomes is available, I'll listen to offers but it's gonna be hard to trade a QB on his rookie contract who won an MVP in his 2nd season. RB LeSean McCoy Portland Horned Owls $3,200 1 - 7th. RB Peyton Barber Portland Horned Owls $500 1 - 5th. WR Allen Hurns Portland Horned Owls $2,735 2 - 7th. WR Davante Adams Portland Horned Owls $4,000 4 - 1st+ Change, more than likely not going to be traded. WR John Ross Portland Horned Owls $3,775 3 - Not for trade WR Martavis Bryant Portland Horned Owls $3,570 4 - Free to good home. WR Mohamed Sanu Portland Horned Owls $3,101 3 - 5th. WR Pharoh Cooper Portland Horned Owls $735 1 - 7th. WR Tyler Boyd Portland Horned Owls $1,150 1 - 2nd. TE Charles Clay Portland Horned Owls $4,040 2 - Free to good home. TE David Njoku Portland Horned Owls $3,035 3 - Any pick higher than 2.12 OT Jason Spriggs Portland Horned Owls $2,690 1 - 7th. OT Kelvin Beachum Portland Horned Owls $3,200 1 - 4th. OT Laremy Tunsil Portland Horned Owls $6,100 2 - Not for trade. OT Will Holden Portland Horned Owls $651 1 - Free. OG Clint Boling Portland Horned Owls $4,420 1 - Not for trade. OG Joe Dahl Portland Horned Owls $501 2 - Free. OG Josh Sitton Portland Horned Owls $4,750 1 - 4th OG Will Hernandez Portland Horned Owls $1,475 3 - Not for trade. OC Ben Jones Portland Horned Owls $4,375 1 - Not for trade. OC Matt Paradis Portland Horned Owls $3,500 2 - not for trade. EDGE DaQuan Jones Portland Horned Owls $501 1 - 4th. EDGE Jason Pierre-Paul Portland Horned Owls $5,668 3 - Not for trade. EDGE Shaquil Barrett Portland Horned Owls $2,500 1 - 7th. EDGE Telvin Smith Portland Horned Owls $9,605 3 - Not for trade. INT David Parry Portland Horned Owls $501 1 - 1st. INT Kawann Short Portland Horned Owls $13,600 3 - 1st. LB Vince Williams Portland Horned Owls $834 2 - 4th. CB Desmond Trufant Portland Horned Owls $13,750 4 - Not for trade. CB Jason McCourty Portland Horned Owls $2,125 1 - 7th. CB Mackensie Alexander Portland Horned Owls $3,625 2 - 7th. CB Nate Hairston Portland Horned Owls $500 1 - 7th. CB Vernon Hargreaves Portland Horned Owls $4,750 2 - Free to good home. S Glover Quin Portland Horned Owls $5,525 1 - Will listen. S Malcolm Jenkins Portland Horned Owls $4,034 2 - Will listen. Edited January 23, 2019 by SwoleXmad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Hockey5djh said: I'm curious to this break down because its essentially what I was trying to do (or should have done?) with Diggs and I just want to get it right for next time. Its frustrating because Diggs has been tagged for me as a 3up candidate since before last draft but using a 2019 3up in 2018 doesn't seem like it should be allowed? OK Here's Hunters Spotrac profile. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/danielle-hunter-16812/ Using BDL terms, in 2018 Hunter signed a 5 Year contract extension for $72K. They tore up his contract and paid him the same as the last year of his Rookie deal in 2018 of $1.907M and he got a $15M signing bonus in 2018. So his total contract was actually 6 years $73.907K. Per BDL rules I had to sign him to a 3 up in the 2018 season in order to take advantage of that 6 year contract (Pheltz rule). If I didn't then I could only sign him based off his 5 year extension. 5 years/$72K. Which is the situation you are in with Diggs. So I signed him to a 6 year deal at $9,239/year or $55,434 total . (75% of $73,1907) I had to use the higher of his RL contract ($1,907) or BDL contract ($686) to get that number. If I had waited until 2019 to 3 Up him the numbers look like this. 5 Years at $10,800/year for a $54,000 total. (75% of $72,000) Comparing those two contracts Hunter is actually making more in the long run the way I resigned him. 6 year deal = $55,434 total 5 year total + BDL Rookie deal = $54,686 total What I did was take a huge cap hit of $8,553 more than I needed to in 2018 to get about a $1,600/yr savings over years 2-6 of the deal. I budgeted for that as I knew I was going to have to pay the highest QB (at the time Jimmy G) and the highest INT (Donald) this year as well. Although now it's going to likely be the highest paid RB this year (Bell) instead and the highest paid QB (Rodgers) next year. In the end with the new 1 year trailing the NFL Cap rule we have it likely won't make that much of a difference as everyone will have plenty of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Jlash said: This would have to be a change (if ever voted in) to put into place years from now, because it's a huge change. 2020 would be fine. It's not that much of a change really if you think about it. You are in reality just not drafting 16 players that would all be available in the Shark tank. 7 rounds + 2 PFA rounds 5 rounds + 3 PFA rounds If anyone has traded future 6th-7th round picks all you do is have a few extra comp picks at the end of round 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SirA1 said: If anyone has traded future 6th-7th round picks all you do is have a few extra comp picks at the end of round 5. Nahhhh I think you'd have to make it beyond when any picks have been traded to be fair. edit: Not a bad idea though overall. Edited January 23, 2019 by Jlash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Jlash said: Nahhhh I think you'd have to make it beyond when any picks have been traded to be fair. It is no different than when we contracted and teams had picks from the two teams being contracted that they still got to pick in those rounds. Or you could easily extrapolate the switches with PFA1, PFA2, PFA3 round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 My only issue is that players are very common moved via trading, and removing that capital would reduce the amount of trading that could take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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