VigilantZombie Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BringinDaPain said: Nope, not today, tomorrow or never. Cam would never rape a lady. Skill and Character are 2 different issues. And even as a Steeler fan, convicted or not ive never attempted to defend Ben on that. Edited March 3, 2019 by wwhickok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringinDaPain Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, wwhickok said: Skill and Character are 2 different issues. You're right here is Cam's work of art. Now let me go try to find Ben's. College honors and awards Heisman Trophy (2010) Maxwell Award (2010) Walter Camp Award (2010) Davey O'Brien Award (2010) Manning Award (2010) AP College Football Player of the Year (2010) Consensus first-team All-American; received first-team honors from American Football Coaches Association, Associated Press, The Sporting News, Walter Camp Football Foundation, CBS Sports, College Football News, ESPN, Rivals.com, Scout.com and Sports Illustrated (2010) First-team All-Southeastern Conference (2010) Awards NFL MVP (2015) NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2015) Best NFL Player ESPY Award (2016) PFWA All-NFL Team (2015) PFWA All-NFC Team (2015) Bert Bell Award (2015) PFWA All-Rookie Team (2011) All-Iron Award (2015)[202] NFL Offensive Rookie of the Month (September 2011)[132] 3× Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week (Weeks 4, 15, 16 2011)[132] 10× NFC Offensive Player of the Week[152] Consensus All-American (2010) First-team All-SEC (2010) Sporting News College Player of the Year (2010) Rookie records Most combined touchdowns for a rookie in NFL history (35) Most combined yards for a rookie in NFL history (4,784) First rookie to throw over 4,000 passing yards First and only rookie to pass for more than 4,000 yards and rush for more than 700 yards First rookie in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in back to back games, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[203] Records and achievements Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history (58) [204] Most passing yards by a quarterback in his first two games (854), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[205] Most games in NFL history with a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown (32)[206] Most player of the week awards in a single season (5) tied with Tom Brady[207] First player in NFL history and most games with at least 250 passing yards, 100 rushing yards, 1 passing touchdown, and 1 rushing touchdown in a single game (2)[208] Most games in single season with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown (8) [209] Only player in NFL history with at least 30 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in same season[210] Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14), achieved on December 4, 2011 vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers[211] Most combined yards in a player's first five seasons (21,560)[212] First quarterback and fifth player in NFL history with at least 500 rushing yards, 5 rushing touchdowns, and 4.8 yards a carry in 5 consecutive NFL seasons[213] First quarterback in NFL history to win both NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and NFL MVP at some point in his career. Most passing yards by a quarterback in debut game (422), September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals[214] First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first two career starts, September 11, 2011 vs. Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 vs. Green Bay Packers[203] Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards (at Arizona Cardinals, vs. Green Bay Packers, and vs. Jacksonville Jaguars)[215] Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games[214] First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games[216] Twenty-fifth NFL player (and first quarterback) to have 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons [217] First player to have 30 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons[218] First player in NFL history with 50 passing touchdowns and 25 rushing touchdowns in his first three seasons[219] First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season[220] First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 500+ rushing yards in a season[221] First quarterback in NFL history with 100+ pass touchdowns and 25+ rush touchdowns in first five seasons[148] First quarterback in NFL history with multiple seasons of 20+ passing touchdowns and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season [222] First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons[223] First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 2,000 rushing yards in his first four seasons[224] First player in NFL history to have at least 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards in five consecutive seasons[225] First quarterback in NFL history to rush for 100+ yards and pass for 300+ yards with 5 touchdowns in a single game (December 20, 2015).[226] First player in NFL history with 100+ rush yards and 5 pass touchdowns in a single game[225] First player with 3,500 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in a single season (2011, 2015)[213] First quarterback in NFL history with 10+ rushing touchdowns in multiple NFL seasons (2011, 2015)[227] Fifth quarterback in NFL history with 3+ games with 5+ touchdown passes in a season[225] Fourth quarterback to win 17+ straight regular season starts in the Super Bowl era[225] Most games in NFL history with at least 200 passing yards and 80 rushing yards with multiple touchdown passes and a rushing touchdown (4 games)[228] Third quarterback in NFL history with 2+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown[229] Second quarterback in NFL history with 3+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown[230] Most touchdown passes from a player from Auburn[231] First starting quarterback to win the NFC South in consecutive seasons (2013–2015) Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass touchdowns in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning ('99)[232] First quarterback in NFL history to earn a comeback victory when trailing in overtime[143] Third quarterback in NFL history to pass for over 3,000 yards in his first five seasons[233] Second most 5+ touchdown games in a single season (3)[234] Second quarterback with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards in a single game[235] First player in Super Bowl era to pass for 300 yards and rush for multiple touchdowns in a playoff game [236] Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in his first four seasons (33) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, wwhickok said: Top 8, i think you could make a fair arguement. But one good year from Goff, Watson, Mayfield, and so on...does NOT make them better. You might believe in them more for the future, and that makes sense given age differences but to say theyre better, there isnt even enough groundwork for that suggestion. Imo. If you can believe in them more for the future based on a good year or two as you just stated, and the future being as soon as next year as I clearly laid out, then by definition there is the groundwork for exactly that suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Cam's big issue is going to be how his shoulder heals and if he gets him arm strength back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringinDaPain Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Here's Bens work of art. I Will take Cam's even if I weren't a Panthers fan. NFL records Most regular season wins in a season, rookie QB – 13 (2004)[203] Longest regular season win streak to start a career for a NFL QB – 15 games (won all 13 starts in the 2004 season, won first 2 games of the 2005 season)[204] Most wins as a starting quarterback in first five NFL seasons (reg. season only) – 51 (from 2004 to 2008)[89] Highest completion percentage, rookie season – 66.4% (2004)[205] (Since broken by Dak Prescott) Highest single-game completion percentage, rookie season (min. 20 attempts) – 84.0% (completed 21/25 at Dallas October 17, 2004)[206] (Since broken by Dak Prescott) Most games with a completion percentage of 70.0% or higher, rookie season (min. 10 attempts) – 6 (2004)[207] Most games with a completion percentage of 80.0% or higher, single season (min. 10 attempts) – 4 (2007)[208] First QB to start two Conference Championship games in first two seasons in the NFL (2004 & 2005)[204] Youngest starting QB ever to win the Super Bowl (2005; second-youngest QB to play in the Super Bowl, behind Dan Marino)[209] Second quarterback in NFL history, along with Peyton Manning, to register three perfect passing games during the regular season, and the only quarterback to ever register two perfect passing games in one regular season.[204] Lowest passer rating for a Super Bowl winning QB – 22.6 (Completed 9 of 21 passes for zero touchdowns with two interceptions)[210] Most yards passing in relief (379 yards on November 15, 2015 against the Cleveland Browns)[211] Most consecutive 6+ touchdown pass games (2)[212] Most TD passes in consecutive games (12)[213] Most career 500+ yard passing games (3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Ragnarok said: If you can believe in them more for the future based on a good year or two as you just stated, and the future being as soon as next year as I clearly laid out, then by definition there is the groundwork for exactly that suggestion. To me its not. Your belief is based on nothing but gut feeling atm. Hopes and dreams. We have seen 100s of QBs show promise initially only to fall apart, especially in Cleveland. Dak in Dallas is a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, wwhickok said: To me its not. Your belief is based on nothing but gut feeling atm. Hopes and dreams. We have seen 100s of QBs show promise initially only to fall apart, especially in Cleveland. Dak in Dallas is a good example. No, it's based on their past performance/age/situation which is factual and statistical and then applying those aspects to next year, the same you are doing with Ben. Trying to say I am focusing on hopes and dreams is a cute attempt to discredit my point, but it's not what I have said at all. Now, if I was saying Kyler Murray or Rosen or Nick Mullen would be better, then you'd have a point as to hopes and dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Ben has an established career of consistency. Mayfield and those few other guys...nothing about them is consistent. Not yet. ESPECIALLY Goff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 To say cam will be better then Ben next year after watching him last year is making a huge stretch Goff idk. How much of that is run game and Cooks. I mean Brady Brees luck no Brainers imo I'd put Rodgers rivers and Ben pretty close atm I think it's hard to say mahomes and Wilson aren't better Watson Mayfield Wentz Goff Trubisky all could potentially be better next year but maybe not I'd put Ben top ten but really after the top five it gets a muddled middle imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I'd also throw cams college careers out vs Ben, and I'm an auburn fan because there's no way a MAC school anything is up for Heisman or year end awards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 No one said anything about my mock hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Counselor said: No one said anything about my mock hmmmm Not going Oliver. Sitting at 2, there's no reason to lie. Bosa and Quinnen are my top two and I'll take either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, Ragnarok said: Not going Oliver. Sitting at 2, there's no reason to lie. Bosa and Quinnen are my top two and I'll take either. I was just trying to have some fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Counselor said: No one said anything about my mock hmmmm No round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, MD4L said: No round 2. Nawwww gives away too many secrets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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