Hunter2_1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, jrry32 said: We won't know what Goff is or isn't for another 3 to 5 years. If we're to take criticism of Goff with a grain of salt, due to the above, by the same token should us non-Rams fans take his positive acclamation with a grain of salt as well? Because there have been instances on here where if someone hasn't accepted Goff as a top (10 for example) QB, they get corrected pretty quickly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Hunter2_1 said: If we're to take criticism of Goff with a grain of salt, due to the above, by the same token should us non-Rams fans take his positive acclamation with a grain of salt as well? Because there have been instances on here where if someone hasn't accepted Goff as a top (10 for example) QB, they get corrected pretty quickly. I don't care. You're an adult. Do what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, jrry32 said: I don't care. You're an adult. Do what you want. Woops. Didn't mean to rattle you. I'll try again another day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, Hunter2_1 said: Woops. Didn't mean to rattle you. I'll try again another day. My advice will be the same. You're an adult. Do what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, jrry32 said: My advice will be the same. You're an adult. Do what you want. OK, advice taken. Therefore, when you or the other hoards of Goff apologists come on to tell us how good he is, we're all to ignore you because..... " 23 minutes ago, jrry32 said: We won't know what Goff is or isn't for another 3 to 5 years." So there we have it. We can't pass comment on Goff either way, because we won't know for another 3 to 5 years. The same, presumably, goes for Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield, Darnold, Wentz etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimonas Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: If we're to take criticism of Goff with a grain of salt, due to the above, by the same token should us non-Rams fans take his positive acclamation with a grain of salt as well? Because there have been instances on here where if someone hasn't accepted Goff as a top (10 for example) QB, they get corrected pretty quickly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: OK, advice taken. Therefore, when you or the other hoards of Goff apologists come on to tell us how good he is, we're all to ignore you because..... " 23 minutes ago, jrry32 said: We won't know what Goff is or isn't for another 3 to 5 years." So there we have it. We can't pass comment on Goff either way, because we won't know for another 3 to 5 years. The same, presumably, goes for Mahomes, Trubisky, Mayfield, Darnold, Wentz etc. Feel free to pass judgment on him. You're an adult. Do what you want. I'm spelling out the realities of QBing in the NFL. Deuces. EDIT: My point is that there's nothing wrong with discussing how a young QB is doing at a certain point in time. However, it's also quite clear that before QBs hit their prime in their late 20's to early 30's, there are going to be ups and downs. We won't know what Goff's ceiling is until he hits his prime, which is likely 3 to 5 years away. He was great last year. He's not this year. Oh well. It doesn't change my long-term outlook on him. With that all said, I'm not going to waste more time on petty NFL Gen arguments. Edited November 11, 2019 by jrry32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, jrry32 said: However, it's also quite clear that before QBs hit their prime in their late 20's to early 30's, there are going to be ups and downs. We won't know what Goff's ceiling is until he hits his prime, which is likely 3 to 5 years away. He was great last year. He's not this year. Oh well. It doesn't change my long-term outlook on him. With that all said, I'm not going to waste more time on petty NFL Gen arguments. You're onto something Jerry pertaining to Goff. He's a pure pocket QB so he's going to keep progressing into his 3rd contract. Qb Primes usually aren't 3rd contract though that's becoming and aberration and not the norm. So I wouldn't use that argument for every qb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, thebestever6 said: You're onto something Jerry pertaining to Goff. He's a pure pocket QB so he's going to keep progressing into his 3rd contract. Qb Primes usually aren't 3rd contract though that's becoming and aberration and not the norm. So I wouldn't use that argument for every qb. It's funny how in the span of less than a year, he can go from '6-10th best QB in the league' and 'better than Big Ben and Luck' with the question 'Why is he still not treated like a guy to be feared?' to 'we won't know what he is for another 3-5 years'. This is all a bit biased, isn't it. I happen to think Goff is pretty good, but this whole revisionism around him is tedious. When he's good, he's to be feared! When he's not doing so well, it's ok....we won't know for another 5 years what he is or isn't. Zzz. Edited November 11, 2019 by Hunter2_1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: It's funny how in the span of less than a year, he can go from '6-10th best QB in the league' and 'better than Big Ben and Luck' with the question 'Why is he still not treated like a guy to be feared?' to 'we won't know what he is for another 3-5 years'. This is all a bit bias, isn't it. You never heard me say he was better than Ben and Luck lol. Those words were never typed or thought by me. All I'm saying is Goff has staying power in this league ala Brady or Manning, Matt Ryan. Doesn't mean he'll be better than any of those I mentioned. Just I wouldn't bet on him getting worse or Flat lining any time soon. TBH that Rams oline is either looking old or underachieving. That's why I hate the Ramsey trade what if that first could of been used on a significant oline upgrade or Dline? Elite corners are a cap off piece to a team. Edited November 11, 2019 by thebestever6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortdetroit Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jrry32 said: Feel free to pass judgment on him. You're an adult. Do what you want. I'm spelling out the realities of QBing in the NFL. Deuces. EDIT: My point is that there's nothing wrong with discussing how a young QB is doing at a certain point in time. However, it's also quite clear that before QBs hit their prime in their late 20's to early 30's, there are going to be ups and downs. We won't know what Goff's ceiling is until he hits his prime, which is likely 3 to 5 years away. He was great last year. He's not this year. Oh well. It doesn't change my long-term outlook on him. With that all said, I'm not going to waste more time on petty NFL Gen arguments. It’s super totally weird that until Goff started playing largely terrible for a season’s worth of games you were on the “he’s awesome, borderline top 5!” train and not on the “we need to wait 5 years to see if he’s good or not” train. Edited November 11, 2019 by fortdetroit 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, thebestever6 said: You never heard me say he was better than Ben and Luck lol. Those words were never typed or thought by me. All I'm saying is Goff has staying power in this league ala Brady or Manning, Matt Ryan. Doesn't mean he'll be better than any of those I mentioned. Just I wouldn't bet on him getting worse or Flat lining any time soon. TBH that Rams oline is either looking old or underachieving. No, it was Jrry. Wasn't accusing you dude. I agree! I just object to the revisionism from some rams fans. We dared to question if he was as good as advertised (again, I do think he's quite good) and got stomped on, but now that it's become obvious he's not as good as some thought - the narrative has shifted to 'we won't know how good he is or isn't'. Smh. @Matts4313 in particular took flak for merely stating facts.... Edited November 11, 2019 by Hunter2_1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebestever6 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, Hunter2_1 said: I agree! I just object to the revisionism from some rams fans. We dared to question if he was as good as advertised (again, I do think he's quite good) and got stomped on, but now that it's become obvious he's not as good as some thought - the narrative has shifted to 'we won't know how good he is or isn't'. Smh. I don't think it's that he's not as good he didn't just lose his powers. That offense looks like it's missing a lot. And it's why that Ramsey trade is going to bite them in the next few years imo. It be like if Tom Brady hadn't won those early superbowls hard to imagine. You'd still defend him as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Overrated as a very good NFL coach? No Overrated from the national media and some of the fans on here crowning him some sort of generational genius? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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