Mental Mafia - Town and Josh Win!!!

[TheKillerNacho]

1 minute ago, Pickle Rick said:

So 2 red aligned roleblocks? 

Unlikely, but I think the point of the post flew over your head somehow.

[Matts4313]

@TheKillerNacho Please follow this step by step:

 

1. You claim to be the redirector. 

• Josh has confirmed (presumed scum)
• Raves has said you are green
• Pickle believes that you are silencer because he blocked you and there has been no silence
• You can not prove a single redirect. You have done nothing town sided with your redirect. 
• Matts thinks you are town or other, but does believe you are redirect. 
• Matts wants to prove you are redirect, which gives us information on both you + Raves  

2. Malf is the BG

• Malf is playing musical chairs. Up until this point he has blocked 0 hits. 
• But Matts can verify his claims on who he protected N1 and N2

3. Matts/BCB are watcher

• We have confirmed Malfs identity
• We found scum rolebocker
• We act as an additional "protection" for town as long as we live. If mafia hits who I am watching, I will see it.

 

Matts plan

• Malf musical chairs the protection, incase you are lying
• You move protection to Matts; ensuring he gets to watch one more night
• Matts watches Malf => Both verifying your move & protecting Malf for the night
• This gives us information on you, while allowing other civs to put in their moves.
• Pickle blocks Orca, ensuring if he is mafia and has a move it doesnt work. 

[Matts4313]

7 minutes ago, Malfatron said:

@Matts4313 this claim opens up a whole new door.

 

Puts me back on the "id rather lynch Orca" train tbh.

Keep the plan the same, we lynch Orca, Pickle roleblocks Josh. Same difference. But if Orca is scum, I trust us lynching him over Pickle roleblocking him, tbh

[TheKillerNacho]

2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

@TheKillerNacho Please follow this step by step:

 

1. You claim to be the redirector. 

• Josh has confirmed (presumed scum)
• Raves has said you are green
• Pickle believes that you are silencer because he blocked you and there has been no silence
• You can not prove a single redirect. You have done nothing town sided with your redirect. 
• Matts thinks you are town or other, but does believe you are redirect. 
• Matts wants to prove you are redirect, which gives us information on both you + Raves  

2. Malf is the BG

• Malf is playing musical chairs. Up until this point he has blocked 0 hits. 
• But Matts can verify his claims on who he protected N1 and N2

3. Matts/BCB are watcher

• We have confirmed Malfs identity
• We found scum rolebocker
• We act as an additional "protection" for town as long as we live. If mafia hits who I am watching, I will see it.

 

Matts plan

• Malf musical chairs the protection, incase you are lying
• You move protection to Matts; ensuring he gets to watch one more night
• Matts watches Malf => Both verifying your move & protecting Malf for the night
• This gives us information on you, while allowing other civs to put in their moves.
• Pickle blocks Orca, ensuring if he is mafia and has a move it doesnt work. 

please bold where you address that it can prove I'm not a 3rd party.

[Matts4313]

Just now, Matts4313 said:

Puts me back on the "id rather lynch Orca" train tbh.

Keep the plan the same, we lynch Orca, Pickle roleblocks Josh. Same difference. But if Orca is scum, I trust us lynching him over Pickle roleblocking him, tbh

*It puts me there because I dont believe the watch claim.

[Matts4313]

Just now, TheKillerNacho said:

please bold where you address that it can prove I'm not a 3rd party.

There is no way for us to prove that outside of lynching you. Which I think we will have to, because I think you are other. What it does, though, is makes you (as a potential other) use your ability to help out town. Or we kill you. 

 

PS - havent you said multiple times you dont care about being cleared? Why all the sudden the vested interest? 

[Malfatron]

2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

*It puts me there because I dont believe the watch claim.

Thats why nacho could redirect orca to someone that im protecting. and you could watch that person too.

 

[Malfatron]

And if it all breaks down, orca is clear

[TheKillerNacho]

Just now, Matts4313 said:

There is no way for us to prove that outside of lynching you. Which I think we will have to, because I think you are other. What it does, though, is makes you (as a potential other) use your ability to help out town. Or we kill you. 

 

PS - havent you said multiple times you dont care about being cleared? Why all the sudden the vested interest? 

1. Youre asking me to use my ability in a way that doesn't help town.

2. You can verify my ability in a way that does help town just as easily.

3. I don't care about being cleared. I care about using my ability to finish off scum. Which your plan doesn't do.

As far as I'm concerned you're trying to verify something that only Pickle is actively disputing (that I'm a redirector). To waste a night full of town moves and give scum free reign to kill who they please to do this. That won't prove my alignment anyway.

[Malfatron]

but, theres no point in trying to synch up moves here imo

someone is gonna do their own thing

[Matts4313]

Just now, Malfatron said:

Thats why nacho could redirect orca to someone that im protecting. and you could watch that person too.

 

I dont understand this need to create higher risk moves that includes relying on highly likely scum.

Are you just wanting to control the narrative? What you have been saying the last hour or so is very illogical. 

Orca is scum. Any plan that relies on him is bad. 

Josh probably lied about Nacho. Any plan that relies on him is bad.

Nacho is likely other, he follows our plan or he dies. 

[Malfatron]

if we dont lynch orca, i would advise redirecting him so we can test the watcher claim

 

[Malfatron]

Just now, Matts4313 said:

Orca is scum. Any plan that relies on him is bad. 

Josh probably lied about Nacho. Any plan that relies on him is bad.

It doesnt rely on him.

having nacho redirect orca checks all the boxes imo

[TheKillerNacho]

1 minute ago, Malfatron said:

if we dont lynch orca, i would advise redirecting him so we can test the watcher claim

 

Now you see, this is a good idea.

[Matts4313]

1 minute ago, TheKillerNacho said:

1. Youre asking me to use my ability in a way that doesn't help town.

Jesus Christ. This would be the first time all game your move *would actually help town*

1 minute ago, TheKillerNacho said:

2. You can verify my ability in a way that does help town just as easily.

No, it doesnt. Its a higher risk, lower reward scenario.

1 minute ago, TheKillerNacho said:

3. I don't care about being cleared. I care about using my ability to finish off scum. Which your plan doesn't do.

You cant use your move in any way that helps "finish off scum". What my plan does is narrow the list tremendously, while increasing our odds. 

1 minute ago, TheKillerNacho said:

As far as I'm concerned you're trying to verify something that only Pickle is actively disputing (that I'm a redirector).

And that you will play ball with us. And protect Malf and myself. 

1 minute ago, TheKillerNacho said:

To waste a night full of town moves and give scum free reign to kill who they please to do this. That won't prove my alignment anyway.

You are being dense homie.