gen. manager Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 And he's contributed to a 7-9 team, big contribution. 900+ yards receiving, not bad, but that's not getting to a SB or the playoffs. Look at the top teams. Top WR...not a number 2 masquerading as a 1A guy. Brandin Cooks is gone. He'll get more attention from the defense now. The arrogance of the franchise on offense has hurt it. Sproles, Cooks and Graham. Had them and let them all go. Snead is a great story but at the end of the day, he's not even a 1,000 yard guy and you guys are acting like he's the antidote. He's a nice piece on a bad team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjRay1985 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 To be 100% honest, Cooks was expendable because of Thomas IMO, plus Cooks didn't want to be there, and locker rooms suck when players are not happy. Its like a cancer. I know being a military guy, when you have a negative guy in the platoon, they literally divide the platoon. For us it was one guy arguing over some damn rifles (m16A4 vs M16M4), and who got to carry what lol. Anyways, the deal with Peterson was to me, brought in to run the ball more to set up the pass, set up the play action, and to take pressure off of Brees. With Snead, and Thomas, maybe the idea was to have the balance, and Ginn to play more of a dual role all over. Also with the us being told the TEs were to have bigger roles this season, the Cooks trade was viable. Not a bad trade at all, and we did get two solid pics in spots we needed. It just more of a role aspect if you ask me. Again the Saints have NEVER since Peyton put too much stock in any receiver. We have always created and made names to our WRs. Remember how dumb they said the Saints were when we traded Graham. The offence still produced. That has never been the issue under Payton and I suspect it still won't be. Brees puts up 5000 yrd seasons, lol, some one got them catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I'm sorry, but with some of you guys talking about having this player and that player, do you guys just play Madden with the salary cap turned off? Also Darren Sproles was just about spent when we traded him, I think he had what, 1 more good year still in Philly before he just wasn't good anymore? We couldn't have afforded to keep Graham and Cooks even if we wanted to, especially if we wanted anything that resembled an offensive line. You think our OL is bad now, just think how much worse it would look right now if we didn't have Unger and Ramzy. You can't even say you can find OLs anywhere, we've done a good job sure, but how many teams in the NFL would love to have any of the guys starting on our OL right now because their OL is that much worse. Seriously the team has made plenty of mistakes, but trading Graham and Cooks weren't part of them, especially for what they got in return. Also Mike Thomas not a top WR? Are you serious? I would take Mike Thomas over Cooks every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gen. manager Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Well maybe you should ask the Saints if they play Madden with the salary cap because they certainly have. Also, I'm totally in disagreement with you. Cooks is a better player than Thomas. What has Thomas done this year without him? Not much. Sproles was let go too early. Jenkins still is a productive player and cancers in the locker room...eh. You can't have all choir boys on the team. If you don't have any squeaky wheels on the team calling a spade a spade, you create a losing atmosphere. The locker room is the players responsibility, not the coaches. Competition isn't bad. It's not like Brandin Cooks was taking a sledgehammer to the guys. You need tough guys to play a tough game. That's just a fact. Too much "We're almost there." They've been saying that for years to the media with the same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 What has Cooks done this year with the Patriots? Not much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gen. manager Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Pretty sure he's with a new QB and a new system...2nd week of the season. That's an asinine thing to say...also, pretty sure he had more yards than Thomas last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 So now it's the offense and system that Cooks can't play in... even though it's a system that's known to produce offensive stats just like ours and make no name receivers into productive players and good/great receivers even better, you know guys like Welker and Moss... but hey just keep setting up and I'll keep knocking em down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjRay1985 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Saints offensive rankings of total offense: 2016: 1st 2015: 2nd 2014: 1st 2013: 4th 2012: 2nd 2011: 1st 2010: 6th 2009: 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gen. manager Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 You're comparing the Patriots system to the Saints? There's no comparison. Cooks had 88 yards last week and Thomas had like 40. They basically flipped this week. Soooo where's the huge deal? Also! If you had BOTH of them, there's no problem here. And don't just act like you can go from one team to the next and not have growing pains. If Thomas would have done that, same deal. He's a good player, he's no Brandin Cooks. Also...Randy Moss is a strict downfield guy. Horrible comparison. Welker is a dink and dunk guy, Cooks is much better than a dink and dunk guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gen. manager Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 We're in 2017 dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjRay1985 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, gen. manager said: We're in 2017 dude You are seeming like Cooks is the end all be all for the Saints offense. When have the Saints struggle with our offensive production? The Saint's identity before and after Cooks will still be the same even though Sean Payton has always wanted to run the ball more. Brees passed for 300 yrds how? To who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gen. manager Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Last time I checked, Cooks contributed to som of those top offenses. Also, the numbers aren't always real. The offense hasn't been successful week in and week out. That's a culmination of a season. It's not like they steamrolled guys, even with a good defense. Put that offense on the road, done. Also, he has 3 RBs that he rotates...he has the personnel to run, he chooses not to. He's a pass guy. He may SAY he wants to do that but he doesn't really WANT to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodatworm23 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, DjRay1985 said: Saints offensive rankings of total offense: 2016: 1st 2015: 2nd 2014: 1st 2013: 4th 2012: 2nd 2011: 1st 2010: 6th 2009: 1st Great... Now throw up dem defensive numbers! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 43 minutes ago, gen. manager said: You guys can't tell me that arrogant Sean Payton didn't look at Ted Ginn and say "Drew and I can get this guy going." You can't tell me that. Also, Snead is a nice piece but he's not THE guy. Come on. Cooks trade was terrible and it's showing. This offense isn't explosive at this point. Hopefully he proves me wrong. I can tell you that ted Ginn's problems are widely known. There's no way Sean Payton and drew Brees thought he was going to be a number 1 target that commands respect like Cooks. They thought he could fill part of the role for the missing Cooks, but there's no way in hell they thought he would be Cooks 2.0 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjRay1985 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Saints Defensive rankings: 2016: 27th 2015: 31st 2014: 31st 2013: 4th YAY!!!!!! LMAO 2012: 32nd 2011: 24th 2010: 4th YAY!!!!!! 2009: 25th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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