NYRaider Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 You guys are comparing Carr to guys that have set NFL records, won MVP awards, won Super Bowls... Carr can't even throw for 30+ TD or win 8 games in a season, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He was 2nd in the league in yards and TD on a 13-3 team in year 2 and 1st in the league in yards and TD on a 10-6 team in year 3. How is that painfully average by year 4? By being .500, having 20+ ints per season for half of his career at that point, and a passer rating under 90. An 85.1, for that matter, which is actually really really pedestrian for what you're calling "proof" of elite play. Edited June 13, 2021 by ronjon1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: By being .500, having 20+ ints per season for half of his career at that point, and a passer rating under 90. An 85.1, for that matter, which is actually really really pedestrian for what you're calling "proof" of elite play. His second season in the league he threw for 4,100 yards and 26 TD on a 13-3 team and made the Pro Bowl. In his third season he threw for 4,400 yards and 33 TD on a 10-6 team and made the Pro Bowl. I mean to be 2nd in the league in yards/TD on a 13-3 team and 1st in the league in yards/TD on a 10-6 team in your 2nd and 3rd years is pretty pedestrian I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Frankie2Gunz said: "I think Carr is about an average starting level quarterback". Do you care to name the QB's you have ranked ahead of him if Carr is average. QB's I'd take over Carr: Patrick Mahomes Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson Josh Allen Deshaun Watson Dak Prescott Lamar Jackson Matt Ryan Baker Mayfield Matt Stafford Ryan Tannehill Justin Herbert Kyler Murray After this season probably Trevor Lawerence, Justin Fields, and Joe Burrow as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, NYRaider said: His second season in the league he threw for 4,100 yards and 26 TD on a 13-3 team and made the Pro Bowl. In his third season he threw for 4,400 yards and 33 TD on a 10-6 team and made the Pro Bowl. I mean to be 2nd in the league in yards/TD on a 13-3 team and 1st in the league in yards/TD on a 10-6 team in your 2nd and 3rd years is pretty pedestrian I guess. Sounds to me like a bunch of padded stats, considering he was .500 and a lot of INTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, NYRaider said: QB's I'd take over Carr: Patrick Mahomes Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson Josh Allen Deshaun Watson Dak Prescott Lamar Jackson Matt Ryan Baker Mayfield Matt Stafford Ryan Tannehill Justin Herbert Kyler Murray After this season probably Trevor Lawerence, Justin Fields, and Joe Burrow as well. Of those QB, how many would you rather build around over Carr? You've also not answered any of my other questions.... Figures because your points have been completely worthless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: Of those QB, how many would you rather build around over Carr? You've also not answered any of my other questions.... Figures because your points have been completely worthless... He'll say all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Of those QB, how many would you rather build around over Carr? You've also not answered any of my other questions.... Figures because your points have been completely worthless... All of them including Lawerence, Fields, and Burrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Sounds to me like a bunch of padded stats, considering he was .500 and a lot of INTs. When did 13-3 and 10-6 become .500? Through Manning's first 7 seasons they had a winning record 5/7 years. We've had a winning record 1/7 years with Carr. In year 7 Manning was the best player in the league, Carr is like the third best QB in his division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: When did 13-3 and 10-6 become .500? Through Manning's first 7 seasons they had a winning record 5/7 years. We've had a winning record 1/7 years with Carr. In year 7 Manning was the best player in the league, Carr is like the third best QB in his division. Oh now we're going to go full micro and only focus on those 2? Totally forget the 3-13 and 6-10 seasons surrounding that. Also, again, Indianapolis' FO and team >>> Anything Carr has had. Regardless, stick to the facts- it's about WINS. Period. Nothing else. Just wins. Manning was average and the Colts were dumb to keep him after such a pedestrian showing after 4 years. And stop comparing Mannings 18 years to Carr's 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Oh now we're going to go full micro and only focus on those 2? Totally forget the 3-13 and 6-10 seasons surrounding that. Also, again, Indianapolis' FO and team >>> Anything Carr has had. Regardless, stick to the facts- it's about WINS. Period. Nothing else. Just wins. Manning was average and the Colts were dumb to keep him after such a pedestrian showing after 4 years. And stop comparing Mannings 18 years to Carr's 7. Manning played at an elite level for a playoff team in years 2-3. When has Carr done that? And if it's just about wins, Manning led the Colts to a winning record in 5/7 years, Carr has done it once in 7 seasons with us, lol. Edited June 14, 2021 by NYRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: Manning played at an elite level for a playoff team in years 2-3. When has Carr done that? Twice, at least. Too bad our incompetent FO and coaching staff failed to field a professional defense and weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, ronjon1990 said: Twice, at least. Too bad our incompetent FO and coaching staff failed to field a professional defense and weapons. Carr has thrown for 4,000+ yards 3 times in his career and 30+ TD 1 time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: Carr has thrown for 4,000+ yards 3 times in his career and 30+ TD 1 time... I know. Imagine if our entire offense was even 1/2 as competent as him. But....stop talking about stats. It's all about the W.I.N.S. and L.O.S.S.E.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Tom Cable won at the same rate as Gruden/Carr with great starting QB's such as Charlie Frye, JaMarcus Russell, Andrew Walter, Bruce Grodkowski, and Jason Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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