MrOaktown_56 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: What sets Adans apart from other WRs is his production when things breakdown. Carr has not shown the ability to do what Rodgers does on a regular basis when things breakdown. You're joking right? What separates him from other WR's is that he is the best WR in the NFL against press, arguably the best route runner in the league, and a MONSTER RZ threat. This is an absolutely massive reach. Those scramble yards are the minority of Adams production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: A down year for Rodgers is a great year for Carr. It is not about the weapons. Rodgers turns average players into weapons. Football is all about the weapons. Stafford is not Rodgers and won a superbowl in large part because he had weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 15 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Carr threw for a lot of yards last year but Rodgers yards per attempt is better (7.8 to 7.1) and the TDs and Ints are not even close. If you watch the games Rodgers just does stuff Carr can not even think about doing. The situations where Carr panics are the same situations that Rodgers will just extend and throw a TD. It is not fair comparing Carr to Rodgers but when talking about Adams you have to. I think Adams still has a really good year but not what most are expecting. We've had a 100+ catch player in each of the last two seasons though, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Football is all about the weapons. Stafford is not Rodgers and won a superbowl in large part because he had weapons. While Aaron Rodgers scored 10 points and choked against Jimmy G. Should've turned those average players into weapons, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Geezy said: Oh, like Nelson Agholor, Zay Jones, Rod Streater, Andre Holmes, Michael Rivera etc lol I will give you Agholor but even then his numbers were not a giant leap from what he did in 2017 and 2018. his 2019 season he was hurt and missed games. In 2020 he increased his yards per game by 9 yards over 2017 and 2018. Holmes had 1 year where he had 693 yards but at the same time had 431 yards the year before with Pryor and McGloin. Rivera is very similar. 400 yards in 2013 then a whole 534 in 2014. Streater had 888 yards in 2013 then nothing really when Carr got here. 92 yards in 4 games they played together. Zay's best year was 2018 when he had 652 yards and 7 TDs with a rookie Josh Allen. You can hang your hat on his 546 yards and 1 TD from last year if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: You're joking right? What separates him from other WR's is that he is the best WR in the NFL against press, arguably the best route runner in the league, and a MONSTER RZ threat. This is an absolutely massive reach. Those scramble yards are the minority of Adams production. That is the difference in his production. Not his skill set. Sorry for not being specific with my wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Football is all about the weapons. Stafford is not Rodgers and won a superbowl in large part because he had weapons. I have already shown that Rodgers production when Adams was out increased and GB went 7-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 51 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Carr has more yards over the last two seasons, Rodger's TD production is just way better, lol. Stat scouting QBs is always a bit dangerous anyway. Rodgers has never really even gotten close to a 5k season, yet has been long accepted as one of the best in the league to ever play QB. Conversely, Matt Stafford had a ton of yards over the last decade, probably probably more than Rodgers. Individual accolades mean a lot in fantasy football, but don't always translate to on field success. A QB that throws 2500 yards and 25 TDs could easily win the Superbowl because of a staunch D that doesn't give up scores. A QB with 5000 yards and 40+ TDs could be on a 7-10 squad because of a poor D or run game or whatever. Some of Drew Brees' best statistical seasons came in 8-8 and 7-9 seasons because they were constantly swinging for the fences. Obviously nobody is claiming Carr is better than Rodgers lol. But I think people get way too wrapped up in yards and TDs as a barometer for QBs while ignoring all of the other contexts around a team. Another thing people ignore a lot is that "making someone a weapon" and "big statistical years" are not entirely the same. Hunter Renfrow is a weapon, whether he goes for 600 yards or 1000 yards. Allen Hurns isn't and wasn't a weapon, he got force fed by Bottles for a year or so before falling almost entirely off the map (injuries didn't help either). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, NYRaider said: While Aaron Rodgers scored 10 points and choked against Jimmy G. Should've turned those average players into weapons, lol. You could use that same reasoning to say that we just traded a 1st and 2nd to make a WR the 2nd highest paid non QB who only averaged the same per catch as Renfrow against the 49ers. He must not be that great of a weapon that he could not have overcome the 49ers defense. You know better than to use 1 game to prove your point. 49ers had a great defense that was playing great. You forget the 49ers hit him 6 times and had 5 sacks. That defense also should have defeated the Rams if the DB can secure that gift Int. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: You could use that same reasoning to say that we just traded a 1st and 2nd to make a WR the 2nd highest paid non QB who only averaged the same per catch as Renfrow against the 49ers. He must not be that great of a weapon that he could not have overcome the 49ers defense. You know better than to use 1 game to prove your point. 49ers had a great defense that was playing great. You forget the 49ers hit him 6 times and had 5 sacks. That defense also should have defeated the Rams if the DB can secure that gift Int. Adams for his career has only averaged 12.1 ypc, lol. Rodgers has regularly choked in the playoffs throughout his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Stat scouting QBs is always a bit dangerous anyway. The point I was making was that Adams will have the opportunity to have just as good of a season as he has had over the last few years in Green Bay. Primarily because we'll likely have more bulk yardage then the Packers have while he was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Stat scouting QBs is always a bit dangerous anyway. Rodgers has never really even gotten close to a 5k season, yet has been long accepted as one of the best in the league to ever play QB. Conversely, Matt Stafford had a ton of yards over the last decade, probably probably more than Rodgers. Individual accolades mean a lot in fantasy football, but don't always translate to on field success. A QB that throws 2500 yards and 25 TDs could easily win the Superbowl because of a staunch D that doesn't give up scores. A QB with 5000 yards and 40+ TDs could be on a 7-10 squad because of a poor D or run game or whatever. Some of Drew Brees' best statistical seasons came in 8-8 and 7-9 seasons because they were constantly swinging for the fences. Obviously nobody is claiming Carr is better than Rodgers lol. But I think people get way too wrapped up in yards and TDs as a barometer for QBs while ignoring all of the other contexts around a team. Another thing people ignore a lot is that "making someone a weapon" and "big statistical years" are not entirely the same. Hunter Renfrow is a weapon, whether he goes for 600 yards or 1000 yards. Allen Hurns isn't and wasn't a weapon, he got force fed by Bottles for a year or so before falling almost entirely off the map (injuries didn't help either). I judge Rodgers abilities based upon his team going to the playoffs 11 of the 14 years he was the starter, top end production throughout career, produces with weapons turnover, and having a 5/1 TD/Int ratio over his career. You can take any of those stats by themselves and make a bad QB look good but the combination shows me he is one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Just now, drfrey13 said: I judge Rodgers abilities based upon his team going to the playoffs 11 of the 14 years he was the starter, top end production throughout career, produces with weapons turnover, and having a 5/1 TD/Int ratio over his career. You can take any of those stats by themselves and make a bad QB look good but the combination shows me he is one of the best. What does any of this have to do with Carr/Raiders needing to find the sweet spot for an extension? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I have already shown that Rodgers production when Adams was out increased and GB went 7-0. Oh yeah? Good luck replicating that over a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: That is the difference in his production. Not his skill set. Sorry for not being specific with my wording. But we don't need his old production to be good. We just need RZ touchdowns and more 3rd down conversions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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