theuntouchable Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: Okay cool. I'm on the same page as you. As much as I wanted Detroit to lose, I never want a game to end like that. I remember my mood in the fail mary. However unlikely it would have been for Detroit to convert a 4th and goal with everyone sprinting to get in formation and no time to call a play, they deserve the chance to try. The Stafford magic would have kicked in And really that's all I'd like to find, because there was a chance. People can argue how large of a chance all they like, there was still a chance. That chance was taken away because an incorrect call was made and reversed. I don't blame the refs for the call but I do blame the rule for taking away that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Clock was run simply because the player was tackled in bounds and the clock was incorrectly stopped. And because the call on the field was reversed. If the call on the field was not reversed, there would have been no runoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 1 minute ago, theuntouchable said: I thought you were saying the rule shouldn't change? Misread it. I disagree with your argument that there wouldn't be a 10s runoff in that case. 10s runoff is due to only the clock being stopped when it shouldn't have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, incognito_man said: Misread it. I disagree with your argument that there wouldn't be a 10s runoff in that case. 10s runoff is due to only the clock being stopped when it shouldn't have been. Then we can agree on this, because that is incorrect. A runoff is only applied of the call is reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just now, incognito_man said: Misread it. I disagree with your argument that there wouldn't be a 10s runoff in that case. 10s runoff is due to only the clock being stopped when it shouldn't have been. Right but had they ruled him down, reviewed it and confirmed it Detroit would have had another play, by rule regardless of how much time was left. That's the point is that it's a poorly written rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The rule: If a replay review after the two-minute warning of either half results in the on-field ruling being reversed and the correct ruling would not have stopped the game clock, then the officials will run 10 seconds off the game clock before permitting the ball to be put in play on the ready-for-play signal. The defense cannot decline the runoff, but either team can use a remaining timeout to prevent it. That's why I/we have such an issue with the rule and feel it needs to be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, theuntouchable said: 8 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: Okay cool. I'm on the same page as you. As much as I wanted Detroit to lose, I never want a game to end like that. I remember my mood in the fail mary. However unlikely it would have been for Detroit to convert a 4th and goal with everyone sprinting to get in formation and no time to call a play, they deserve the chance to try. The Stafford magic would have kicked in And really that's all I'd like to find, because there was a chance. People can argue how large of a chance all they like, there was still a chance. That chance was taken away because an incorrect call was made and reversed. I don't blame the refs for the call but I do blame the rule for taking away that chance. If this was called correctly and the Lions got a 4th down with 8 seconds left, this thread would still exist and instead it would have Falcons fans condemning this rule because "8 seconds isn't enough time to get a play off and we should have won". Well it would if we had any Falcons fans on this site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: The rule: That's why I/we have such an issue with the rule and feel it needs to be changed. To be fair I forgot about the timeout being able to stop the run-off. I have less of a problem with the rule then. The only way they can change it is to find what the average amount of time in this situation it would take for the offense to run a play. I would not be surprised if 10 seconds is the result. The rule book can't have a tiered approach like: If the offense has to run less than 10 yards, run 5 seconds. 10 < x < 20 then 6 seconds. Then each team will be better blah blah. This is a terrible misfortune and I wish the Lions never have to be screwed by a rule again like they have. I just don't see how they fix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, theuntouchable said: Right but had they ruled him down, reviewed it and confirmed it Detroit would have had another play, by rule regardless of how much time was left. That's the point is that it's a poorly written rule But the clock would not have stopped in the game and time would run off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theuntouchable Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: But the clock would not have stopped in the game and time would run off... It would have stopped once they called for a review .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: But the clock would not have stopped in the game and time would run off... No. The review stops the clock. The runoff only happens if the call is reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, JBURGE25 said: To be fair I forgot about the timeout being able to stop the run-off. I have less of a problem with the rule then. The only way they can change it is to find what the average amount of time in this situation it would take for the offense to run a play. I would not be surprised if 10 seconds is the result. The rule book can't have a tiered approach like: If the offense has to run less than 10 yards, run 5 seconds. 10 < x < 20 then 6 seconds. Then each team will be better blah blah. This is a terrible misfortune and I wish the Lions never have to be screwed by a rule again like they have. I just don't see how they fix it That seems to imply that a team needs to save a timeout in case the officials make the incorrect call on the field. That can't possibly be the expectation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48 1/2ers Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The Lions had 1 timeout left did they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 12 minutes ago, 48 1/2ers said: The Lions had 1 timeout left did they not? Nope. No timeout left. All three timeouts were used to get the ball back and into position to win the game, just to watch an incorrect call enforce a 10 seocnd runoff and end the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 17 minutes ago, theuntouchable said: It would have stopped once they called for a review .... And that's assuming that stoppage comes before the time runs off. Why is that certain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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