Purple-Pride07 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 13 hours ago, vikingsrule said: I'd give Teddy a Mike Glennon type contract. Glennon's cap hit in 2017 is $14 million. i think MN could get Keenum for $5-6 million. I agree with the valuation of Keenum - he's a journeyman and won't land financial figures in even the peak Josh McCown range. Teddy's not going to cause a bidding war amongst teams who have no idea what his intimate medical details are or how he's rehabbed (physically and mentally). His best opportunity to re-launch his career post-injury is to remain in Minnesota for what will be a relatively team-efficient figure. I guess you can say Teddy needs a Bridge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Purple-Pride07 said: I guess you can say Teddy needs a Bridge deal. one that doesn't put us under water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Purple-Pride07 said: Well... I mean... literally in every way relative to the position, really. That's not to detract from what Teddy offers, but he's not gifted with tantalizing physical tools to help him overcome what quite honestly will be a long road back from a mental perspective. He's taller and heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple-Pride07 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, vike daddy said: one that doesn't put us under water. What have I begun. 6 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: He's taller and heavier. Yeah, continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Just now, Purple-Pride07 said: What have I begun. Yeah, continue. I've got nothing else to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple-Pride07 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Just now, JDBrocks said: I've got nothing else to say. Wentz is taller, heavier, bigger arm, better mobility (before and past the LOS), etc. The vibe I'm getting is your initial post was saying that Teddy's physical skill-set is comparable to Wentz, but it simply isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Just now, Purple-Pride07 said: Wentz is taller, heavier, bigger arm, better mobility (before and past the LOS), etc. The vibe I'm getting is your initial post was saying that Teddy's physical skill-set is comparable to Wentz, but it simply isn't. Nope. At a certain point having a bigger arm and slightly better mobility just don't matter. Teddy can make every throw necessary to move the offense. He was mobile enough to avoid pressure and create opportunities during broken plays. I don't care that Wentz can run a bit faster or can throw the ball a bit harder. It just doesn't make a difference. I'm also not arguing that Teddy is better than Wentz or will be. Only that the physical tools argument doesn't mean a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Plissken Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 52 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Nope. At a certain point having a bigger arm and slightly better mobility just don't matter. Teddy can make every throw necessary to move the offense. He was mobile enough to avoid pressure and create opportunities during broken plays. I don't care that Wentz can run a bit faster or can throw the ball a bit harder. It just doesn't make a difference. I'm also not arguing that Teddy is better than Wentz or will be. Only that the physical tools argument doesn't mean a ton. Sure it makes a difference. Football is said to be a game of inches and being able to use those physical talents to take advantage of those inches makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worm Guts Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Purple-Pride07 said: Wentz is taller, heavier, bigger arm, better mobility (before and past the LOS), etc. The vibe I'm getting is your initial post was saying that Teddy's physical skill-set is comparable to Wentz, but it simply isn't. I'm not sure I agree that Wentz has more mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple-Pride07 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 57 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Nope. At a certain point having a bigger arm and slightly better mobility just don't matter. Teddy can make every throw necessary to move the offense. He was mobile enough to avoid pressure and create opportunities during broken plays. I don't care that Wentz can run a bit faster or can throw the ball a bit harder. It just doesn't make a difference. I'm also not arguing that Teddy is better than Wentz or will be. Only that the physical tools argument doesn't mean a ton. The crux of this dialogue dates to you disagreeing with the following post: Quote Still evident, but let's just say the percentages for theoretical success have dramatically diminished. It goes without saying that Teddy has a lot to overcome mentally, as well as physically.Not to mention he's considerably limited physically in comparison to, as you reference, Carson Wentz. ...No problem, I think it's fine to rate Teddy considerably, particularly based on the promise he showed pre-injury. Sentiment of this is that Wentz, who was brought up separately, represents a QB with far more tools at his disposal, which help to mitigate the physical/mental rehabilitation involved with returning and regaining form. I say again - with the understanding that Teddy entered the league with average (to, on his best day, above-average) arm strength/talent - and what is likely to be marginalized mobility after his injury, the odds of him succeeding let alone replicating his pre-injury form are lessened. Not to say it's impossible, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple-Pride07 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Worm Guts said: I'm not sure I agree that Wentz has more mobility. Pre-Teddy injury, Wentz was more mobile - however, more selective in mobility than Teddy dating back to even Louisville. Post-injury, I'd imagine Teddy will adopt even more of a pocket-delivery preference to his game. Specifically regarding mobility, the confusion is Teddy was never a bad runner and generally very effective in PA. Just talking about different level of "athlete" in Wentz, is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worm Guts Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Purple-Pride07 said: Pre-Teddy injury, Wentz was more mobile - however, more selective in mobility than Teddy dating back to even Louisville. Post-injury, I'd imagine Teddy will adopt even more of a pocket-delivery preference to his game. Specifically regarding mobility, the confusion is Teddy was never a bad runner and generally very effective in PA. Just talking about different level of "athlete" in Wentz, is all. I don't know how you define mobility, but I've seen Teddy make some pretty elusive moves. Wentz might be more mobile in terms of running for yardage, I don't think he's more mobile in terms of avoiding being sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple-Pride07 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 21 minutes ago, Worm Guts said: I don't know how you define mobility, but I've seen Teddy make some pretty elusive moves. Wentz might be more mobile in terms of running for yardage, I don't think he's more mobile in terms of avoiding being sacked. Mobility, in my mind, is all-encompassing. Creating/extending with legs, running for yards, play-action, etc. What I think you're specifically referencing is elusiveness. While, yeah, I'd agree to a degree that Teddy is better at avoiding on-coming pressure in some ways compared to Wentz, the latter avoids sacks by using his size/strength/speed. Different route, same location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 5 hours ago, CriminalMind said: If he is yanked or continues his play, maybe winning some playoff games for us, I see no way Case gets less than $8M. I'm also not willing to give Teddy big money on a 1 year contract without first speaking to Brees or Cousins if still available I would speak to Alex Smith before Brees or Cousins. Smith would be perfect for this offense; and it sounds like he will be available in the off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CriminalMind Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Virginia Viking said: I would speak to Alex Smith before Brees or Cousins. Smith would be perfect for this offense; and it sounds like he will be available in the off season. You would prefer Smith to Brees or Cousins? Brees and Cousins are both superior passers and QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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