agarcia34 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, jpaulthe1st said: The 1st round has historically been a poor return on value at the WR position. I would prefer to wait because good WR prospects always fall in the 2/3 range. I’m all for building up the OL or DL in round 1 this year (Jordan Davis would be ideal). Historically yes but as the NFL changes and the offense continues to involve a lot of college schemes WRs have been one of the better position groups to pick when it comes to the draft and the first round 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Historically yes but as the NFL changes and the offense continues to involve a lot of college schemes WRs have been one of the better position groups to pick when it comes to the draft and the first round CeeDee Lamb, Jaylen Waddle, DeVonta Smith, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, AJ Brown, Hollywood Brown, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Historically yes but as the NFL changes and the offense continues to involve a lot of college schemes WRs have been one of the better position groups to pick when it comes to the draft and the first round This is an underrated narrative. 1st round WR's make a huge impact and are contributing earlier every year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) WR use to be a huge leap from College to NFL it’s just not the same anymore. Dosent mean every WR will work out but it’s not like how it’s use to be Also my issue with Jordan Davis is love the player but hard to pay the first round price tag for a player that’s not even gonna crack 60 percent of teams defensive snaps every week. Edited January 3, 2022 by agarcia34 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: WR use to be a huge leap from College to NFL it’s just not the same anymore. Dosent mean every WR will work out but it’s not like how it’s use to be Also my issue with Jordan Davis is love the player but hard to pay the first round price tag for a player that’s not even gonna crack 60 percent of teams defensive snaps every week. I can see both sides with Jordan Davis, Vita Tea only plays like 60% of the Bucs snaps but fundamentally changes the way teams play against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: I can see both sides with Jordan Davis, Vita Tea only plays like 60% of the Bucs snaps but fundamentally changes the way teams play against them. Vea was a better pass rusher coming out though no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Vea was a better pass rusher coming out though no? I think "more refined" probably describes it better. Vea was definitely better in terms of technique. Davis, I think, has a better raw potential/athletic profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Vea was a better pass rusher coming out though no? Yeah Vea was a better prospect overall but he's also an All-Pro talent. Davis will be good but he's just not going to be a great pass rusher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: I think "more refined" probably describes it better. Vea was definitely better in terms of technique. Davis, I think, has a better raw potential/athletic profile. Davis is good but if we take a DT, I want them to be a potential pro bowler as a pass rusher. I've been waiting for a good DT almost as long as we've been waiting for a good FS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: Davis is good but if we take a DT, I want them to be a potential pro bowler as a pass rusher. I've been waiting for a good DT almost as long as we've been waiting for a good FS. Moehrig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 Travis Jones in round 2/3 is a better value then Davis in the 1st. If we're going DT I'd prefer Leal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Also Vea if I’m not mistaking didn’t have the weight issue Davis has. Until this year he was around 400 pounds if I’m not mistaking 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: Davis is good but if we take a DT, I want them to be a potential pro bowler as a pass rusher. I've been waiting for a good DT almost as long as we've been waiting for a good FS. I think Davis has that ability as a pass rusher. Obviously there may be a better one around, but they likely won't be available to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: I think Davis has that ability as a pass rusher. Obviously there may be a better one around, but they likely won't be available to us. Sure. I want leal but no way we get him. He’s a menace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I'm not gonna lie seeing Darius Philon's recent play has me second guessing the need for an NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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