Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 damn these refs for making the bears into sympathic characters they are supposed to be the bad guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 25 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: Players can improve in many ways, but purely physical attributes do not improve as a player enters their late 20s. Santos is a more accurate kicker than he was years ago, there is literally zero chance he can kick further, though. How many kickers in the NFL would you be okay with attempting a 65 yard FG to win the game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Now that Rodgers owns the Bears, they are gonna get 12 penalties every game what an ego! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Just now, RaidersAreOne said: when i saw that live, i thought the foul would be on the ref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: I'm misrepresenting anything. I'm quoting you verbatim. You said "dude doesn't much beyond 55 yards" and I asked you to name how many other kickers do. Now I agree, most kickers can hit from that range in PRACTICE but how many kickers can do it in real time under pressure? Then you responded with "the vast majority of NFL Kickers have the leg to hit beyond 60 and maybe 65 . Well if this is true then where is this long list of kickers who can and where are you getting this information? I just think using beyond 55 yards as an arbitrary cut-off limits the field quite a bit. Look, I don't agree with the decision. I hated it! I would feel uneasy about putting ANY kicker in those situations (even Tucker). You continue to make statements that change the substance of my point and then move the goal-posts when called on it, just like you did here. There are 20ish Kickers in the NFL who can hit from 60+. Santos isn't one of them. In fact, he might have the weakest leg of any Kicker in the NFL (Rodrigo Blankenship might be the only guy who has less range). There are five to ten Kickers who have the leg to make it worth considering that 65 yard Kick. Not only is Santos not one of them, but it is so far out of his range that it makes Nagy look foolish to have actually tried it in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidPanther89 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 That official should be suspended and made an example of. That was a perfect example of how refs influence the game through their indignance and straight up arrogance. They are part time employees running on power trips just because they have a shield on their back. You see the same thing with a mall cop. It is absolute trash that these people get to influence the livelihood of coaches and the best athletes in the world who literally dedicate their life to this game. You guys dont think officials influence the game? You just saw it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, jrry32 said: You continue to make statements that change the substance of my point and then move the goal-posts when called on it, just like you did here. There are 20ish Kickers in the NFL who can hit from 60+. Santos isn't one of them. In fact, he might have the weakest leg of any Kicker in the NFL (Rodrigo Blankenship might be the only guy who has less range). There are five to ten Kickers who have the leg to make it worth considering that 65 yard Kick. Not only is Santos not one of them, but it is so far out of his range that it makes Nagy look foolish to have actually tried it in that situation. JAF is just a Nagy fanboy. dont mind him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, RabidPanther89 said: You guys dont think officials influence the game? literally everyone does in every thread so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jrry32 said: You continue to make statements that change the substance of my point and then move the goal-posts when called on it, just like you did here. There are 20ish Kickers in the NFL who can hit from 60+. Santos isn't one of them. In fact, he might have the weakest leg of any Kicker in the NFL (Rodrigo Blankenship might be the only guy who has less range). There are five to ten Kickers who have the leg to make it worth considering that 65 yard Kick. Not only is Santos not one of them, but it is so far out of his range that it makes Nagy look foolish to have actually tried it in that situation. I'm not changing anything. I'm sticking to the subject, You keep make statements that you can't backup. Name these kickers and where you are getting this info from? I keep asking but you keep dodging the question. Edited November 9, 2021 by JAF-N72EX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: How many kickers in the NFL would you be okay with attempting a 65 yard FG to win the game? Tough to say. I don't even know the current starting kicker for most NFL teams. Don't play Madden like I used to, or have time to chart some of the stats I used to. But hail mary success rate is a little under 10%, over the past 10 years or so. So you need a kicker with a higher success rate than that, which I would say is probably most of them. I would trust Butker, for sure. Tucker obviously. Kickers like Prater, Zeurlein, and McManus, known for strong legs. Jake Elliott could make it. Tyler Bass. It wouldn't surprise me if somewhere between 1/2 to 2/3 of the league would have higher odds with a field goal than with a hail mary. The Bears are not one of those teams though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Malfatron said: JAF is just a Nagy fanboy. dont mind him JAF-N72EX acroynm for Just A Fan- Nagy 72 Extra Xseasons! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jakuvious said: Tough to say. I don't even know the current starting kicker for most NFL teams. Don't play Madden like I used to, or have time to chart some of the stats I used to. But hail mary success rate is a little under 10%, over the past 10 years or so. So you need a kicker with a higher success rate than that, which I would say is probably most of them. I would trust Butker, for sure. Tucker obviously. Kickers like Prater, Zeurlein, and McManus, known for strong legs. Jake Elliott could make it. Tyler Bass. It wouldn't surprise me if somewhere between 1/2 to 2/3 of the league would have higher odds with a field goal than with a hail mary. The Bears are not one of those teams though. is hail mary really one in 10? feels like once you get to the 45-50, throwing 4 hail marys is a decent investment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Malfatron said: 6 minutes ago, Malfatron said: JAF is just a Nagy fanboy. dont mind him JAF-N72EX acroynm for Just A Fan- Nagy 72 Extra Xseasons! I love ya Malf but you couldn't be anymore wrong here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, JAF-N72EX said: I love ya Malf but you couldn't be anymore wrong here. then you should know i know this lol (because the X was a typo in your user name. doesnt make any sense) Edited November 9, 2021 by Malfatron 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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