Bigbear72 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 12:38 PM, DreamKid said: Bears fans barking like their FO pulled off some wild winning combo is nuts. They traded their best player and team leader away, then dumped a likely Top 40 pick on Chase Claypool.... What Bears fans are doing this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 On 10/31/2022 at 5:43 PM, Ray Reed said: Thank God. It was nauseating watching the defense be completely soft across the middle and our LBs getting drug 2-3 yards after every run the last 3 years. That sort of thing trickles down energy-wise to the rest of the defense. Having a dog in the middle again will surprise a lot of you with how much of a difference it will make. Only took 1 game to see that shift in energy I was talking about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Ray Reed said: Only took 1 game to see that shift in energy I was talking about That 3rd and 2 stuff of Kamara was *chefs kiss* 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 4 hours ago, Bigbear72 said: What Bears fans are doing this? The ones I saw on twitter when both deals hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, DreamKid said: The ones I saw on twitter when both deals hit. Twitter does not represent us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Just now, Bigbear72 said: Twitter does not represent us. There are idiots from every fanbase on twitter. Come to the Bears forum. We were not thrilled by the compensation but we weren't overly upset about it either. We new he was leaving but were hopeful in a sense that a deal could get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Bigbear72 said: There are idiots from every fanbase on twitter. Come to the Bears forum. We were not thrilled by the compensation but we weren't overly upset about it either. We new he was leaving but were hopeful in a sense that a deal could get done. Agree about twitter, but I was specifically motivated to post that after seeing so many in Bears' media(where twitter does represent dominant opinion) celebrating that deal combination. I see the Bears as one of the few teams where paying an ILB(like Roquan) top money actually would've made sense. 1. You have the money(cap space) and can afford the luxury, 2. You need foundational players and leaders as you try to build a winning squad around Fields' rookie deal, and 3. Smith was clearly loved by the fandom/community. Now the team is a short a leader, impact player, and inevitably Poles will try to chase high end play at the position(off ball LB) through valuable draft capital- after you already had the spot locked up with a 25 Y/O All-Pro talent who you used a Top 10 pick on. All that said, if Smith didn't want to be there then there's no reason to keep him. So it comes down to questioning how it got to that point between him and the Bears' FO. The real issue is that Claypool deal, which from every angle looks horrific. Not only is he an overrated player with a non ideal personality, but the Steelers clearly juiced the price and took advantage of an inexperienced GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJaxxenGuy Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 The change in the team was very noticeable with Roquan on the field: that defence was possessed against the saints. EDC is very good at his job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, DreamKid said: Agree about twitter, but I was specifically motivated to post that after seeing so many in Bears' media(where twitter does represent dominant opinion) celebrating that deal combination. I see the Bears as one of the few teams where paying an ILB(like Roquan) top money actually would've made sense. 1. You have the money(cap space) and can afford the luxury, 2. You need foundational players and leaders as you try to build a winning squad around Fields' rookie deal, and 3. Smith was clearly loved by the fandom/community. Now the team is a short a leader, impact player, and inevitably Poles will try to chase high end play at the position(off ball LB) through valuable draft capital- after you already had the spot locked up with a 25 Y/O All-Pro talent who you used a Top 10 pick on. All that said, if Smith didn't want to be there then there's no reason to keep him. So it comes down to questioning how it got to that point between him and the Bears' FO. The real issue is that Claypool deal, which from every angle looks horrific. Not only is he an overrated player with a non ideal personality, but the Steelers clearly juiced the price and took advantage of an inexperienced GM. Putting that amount of resources in an off the ball LB in our defensive scheme didn't make sense to us when we need an entire defensive line, offensive line help, wideouts, and may need to pay our qb if he continues to develop. Every position that I named will cost us $15m+ on the open market. I like Roquan a lot but not enough to pay the $20m a year that he was asking for. As far as Claypool goes, we would have rather not have spent a second rounder but we had to outbid Green Bay and we are desperate for receivers. Edited November 9, 2022 by Bigbear72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Bigbear72 said: Putting that amount of resources in an off the ball LB in our defensive scheme didn't make sense to us when we need an entire defensive line, offensive line help, wideouts, and may need to pay our qb if he continues to develop. Every position that I named will cost us $15m+ on the open market. You don't build a team through FA, you build it through the draft and supplement with FA. You also aren't going to find worthy options at all of those spots in FA, and there's no guarantee you convince the big fish that do swim in unrestricted waters to sign- even if you're offering the most money. 1 hour ago, Bigbear72 said: As far as Claypool goes, we would have rather not have spent a second rounder but we had to outbid Green Bay and we are desperate for receivers. Why did you have to outbid GB? The Bears aren't close to contention and Claypool isn't an impact WR.... You're out a Top 40 pick and still have a major need at WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, DreamKid said: You don't build a team through FA, you build it through the draft and supplement with FA. You also aren't going to find worthy options at all of those spots in FA, and there's no guarantee you convince the big fish that do swim in unrestricted waters to sign- even if you're offering the most money. Why did you have to outbid GB? The Bears aren't close to contention and Claypool isn't an impact WR.... You're out a Top 40 pick and still have a major need at WR. I know you don’t build a team through FA. You still need to allocate those funds to premium positions. Period. Even if you draft them you will have to pay them. As far as Claypool goes have you seen the FA market for WR next year? This isn’t a particular strong draft for WRs either and as a Raven fan you of all people should know how hit or miss drafting one is and Fields needs a pass catcher yesterday. Outside of Mooney there is no one else. We don’t need Claypool to be a star. We just need him to be competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: I know you don’t build a team through FA. You still need to allocate those funds to premium positions. Period. Even if you draft them you will have to pay them. As far as Claypool goes have you seen the FA market for WR next year? This isn’t a particular strong draft for WRs either and as a Raven fan you of all people should know how hit or miss drafting one is and Fields needs a pass catcher yesterday. Outside of Mooney there is no one else. We don’t need Claypool to be a star. We just need him to be competent. You're acting like there's star players at premium positions(QB, OL, WR, CB, EDGE) you're going to have immediate access to and thus need to pay, there isn't.... Drafting WRs is risky, so you should boot a Top 40 pick for 1.5 years control of a mediocre receiver you hope is competent- all while you're 3-5 years away from serious contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, DreamKid said: You're acting like there's star players at premium positions(QB, OL, WR, CB, EDGE) you're going to have immediate access to and thus need to pay, there isn't.... Drafting WRs is risky, so you should boot a Top 40 pick for 1.5 years control of a mediocre receiver you hope is competent- all while you're 3-5 years away from serious contention. Nope just lending a different perspective. What exactly was the point of your take? Every team overpays for someone. Every team misses in FA and the draft including your own. What’s your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, Bigbear72 said: Nope just lending a different perspective. What exactly was the point of your take? Every team overpays for someone. Every team misses in FA and the draft including your own. What’s your point? And btw there are multiple highly drafted WR that are useless every year. How many Raven WRs out performed Claypool over the last 2 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: Nope just lending a different perspective. What exactly was the point of your take? Every team overpays for someone. Every team misses in FA and the draft including your own. What’s your point? You said the Bears couldn't/shouldn't pay Roquan Smith(even in a theoretical world where he wanted to stay) because they have to assign all that money to premium positions. My point was you don't actually have premium positions to pay and are applying a principle of cap allotment that isn't relevant to the Bears current or near future situation. 16 minutes ago, Bigbear72 said: And btw there are multiple highly drafted WR that are useless every year. How many Raven WRs out performed Claypool over the last 2 years? Again, great point. There are WR picks who bust so it's smart to severely overpay for overrated/mediocre options.... Forget 2 years, Isaiah Likely the Ravens 4th Round pick at TE has as many TDs as Claypool's entire season in just the last two weeks when filling in for Mark Andrews. Enjoy your 'weapon'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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