Nabbs4u Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: When Jalen got to Philly guys like Lane Johnson, Jason Kelce, Isaac Seumalo, Dallas Goedert, and Miles Sanders were there on offense. And guys like Hargrave, Cox, Graham, Edwards, Maddox, and Slay were there on defense. That's 11/22 starters from your current Super Bowl team, lol. Yep 11. How were those players in 2020 playing according to you, curious? So now you're down to 7 of 22. Your recollection of the 2020 Eagles I promise you as a Eagles fan who watched almost every game, is off. 🍺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: Yep 11. How were those players in 2020 playing according to you, curious? So now you're down to 7 of 22. Your recollection of the 2020 Eagles I promise you as a Eagles fan who watched almost every game, is off. 🍺 I'm sure they've improved but they were still pieces on the team when Jalen got there. You guys had a strong foundation despite the losing season with a strong veteran offensive line / defensive line and some playmakers on both sides of the ball. Howie has definitely added A TON more talent to the team since Jalen was drafted but he still came to a team with a strong foundation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I'm sure they've improved but they were still pieces on the team when Jalen got there. You guys had a strong foundation despite the losing season with a strong veteran offensive line / defensive line and some playmakers on both sides of the ball. Howie has definitely added A TON more talent to the team since Jalen was drafted but he still came to a team with a strong foundation. It's just funny people are saying this now for most Eagles fans cause if you go back two offseasons pretty much every NFL fan was saying we were going to be the new basement dweller of the NFCE and that we had no chance of competing for years. Looking back on it, obviously we had more talent than people believed(which most Eagles fans were saying but laughed at for), but it is odd that fans are pointing to the situation as such a favorable one now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: It's just funny people are saying this now for most Eagles fans cause if you go back two offseasons pretty much every NFL fan was saying we were going to be the new basement dweller of the NFCE and that we had no chance of competing for years. Looking back on it, obviously we had more talent than people believed(which most Eagles fans were saying but laughed at for), but it is odd that fans are pointing to the situation as such a favorable one now. Your core was solid but the moves you've made recently (Smith, Brown, Reddick, etc.) are the reason that you're an elite team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: It's just funny people are saying this now for most Eagles fans cause if you go back two offseasons pretty much every NFL fan was saying we were going to be the new basement dweller of the NFCE and that we had no chance of competing for years. Looking back on it, obviously we had more talent than people believed(which most Eagles fans were saying but laughed at for), but it is odd that fans are pointing to the situation as such a favorable one now. Exactly! The hindsight game is always fun when it's attempting to fit a certain narrative.  We're the 2020 Eagles say the Texans, drafting a QB. The Bears having a QB already in the 2023 draft, no. They were not a "Outside In" example as described, sorry. Edited February 7, 2023 by Nabbs4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Nabbs4u said: Exactly! The hindsight game is always fun when it's attempting to fit a certain narrative.  We're the 2020 Eagles say the Texans, drafting a QB. The Bears having a QB in the 2023 draft, no. They were not a "Outside In" example as described, sorry. The Bears and Texans have been terrible for a while though, the Eagles were a consistent winner for three years, had a bad season, and started winning again. You had multiple All-Pro OL, highly drafted skill guys, a deep DL, etc. lol Are you really going to push the narrative that you guys didn't have a talented team? Half of the key guys from 2020 are literally playing major roles for you right now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 NYRaider. Were the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Chargers, ect....all void of talent on thier rosters before said QB were drafted? You either find a True FQB or you don't. Problem is everyone thinks because you draft a QB in the 1st, he's a FQB. Which isn't the case!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: NYRaider. Were the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Chargers, ect....all void of talent on thier rosters before said QB were drafted? You either find a True FQB or you don't. Problem is everyone thinks because you draft a QB in the 1st, he's a FQB. Which isn't the case!  No they weren't. Herbert, Mahomes, and Burrow all had pretty star studded casts around them from the jump. That's the one thing I will say about the Eagles, your WR group was terrible when Jalen arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Mahomes stepped into an offense that featured Hunt, Hill, and Kelce. Burrow had Higgins, Boyd, and Mixon off the rip and then Chase shortly thereafter. Technically, we drafted Hunt after Mahomes, and Hill was coming off a rookie season where he was still primarily a return man. When we drafted Mahomes, Ware and West were splitting time at RB, and Maclin and Conley were our starting WRs. By the time Mahomes started, sure, things had developed. But we did not have elite weapons at the time we acquired Mahomes. We did not wait until the offense was already built to get a QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jakuvious said: Technically, we drafted Hunt after Mahomes, and Hill was coming off a rookie season where he was still primarily a return man. When we drafted Mahomes, Ware and West were splitting time at RB, and Maclin and Conley were our starting WRs. By the time Mahomes started, sure, things had developed. But we did not have elite weapons at the time we acquired Mahomes. We did not wait until the offense was already built to get a QB. I think with most players the offense is built around the same time the QB is getting settled in. The Chiefs already had Kelce/Hill on the roster and drafted Hunt the same year as Mahomes. The Bengals already had Mixon/Boyd, drafted Higgins the same year as Burrow, then picked up Chase the following year. The Eagles had Sanders/Goedert, drafted Smith the year after Jalen, then traded for Brown the year after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 hours ago, HerbertGOAT said: It depends year by year, but when you consider the fact that Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl, Trent Dilfer did, the corpse of Peyton Manning did, and John Elway was gonna finish with no rings before the Broncos put together an actual team around him, outside-in makes the most sense. A below average QB can win with a great team. A Great QB cannot win with a below average team, at least not consistently. Drew Brees was breaking records and playing like an MVP candidate and went 7-9 three years in a row. Russell Wilson was also a top-5 QB, debatably top-3, for a 7 year stretch and the Seahawks won their division twice in that time. They were overall pretty good, though. Philip Rivers was a true franchise QB preventing his team from building enough around him to consistently win. He'd play amazing, but the team would have holes everywhere else and the Chargers were not very successful for most of his career. The Colts killed Andrew Luck, and by the time they had built a true contender he retired. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snotbubbles Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Disagree. If we had a strong foundation the Eagles wouldn't of finished 4-11-1 in 2020. What some of them have turned into 3 years later, wasn't what they were in 2020. Revisionist history. They finished 9-7 in 2019 and went to the playoffs. Wentz had another injury in the playoffs and the Eagles FO was either beginning to sour on Wentz, or at the very least were becoming concerned with his ability to stay healthy, thus the Hurts pick that offseason as an insurance plan. In 2020, Wentz fell off the cliff. He began holding the ball too long and turned it over too much. Wentz got killed that season when people broke down the all 22 film. He was missing open guys all day. That led to the 4-11-1 season, not a lack of talent.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Snotbubbles said: Revisionist history. They finished 9-7 in 2019 and went to the playoffs. Wentz had another injury in the playoffs and the Eagles FO was either beginning to sour on Wentz, or at the very least were becoming concerned with his ability to stay healthy, thus the Hurts pick that offseason as an insurance plan. In 2020, Wentz fell off the cliff. He began holding the ball too long and turned it over too much. Wentz got killed that season when people broke down the all 22 film. He was missing open guys all day. That led to the 4-11-1 season, not a lack of talent.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 21 hours ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: but it is odd that fans are pointing to the situation as such a favorable one now. They were a top 5 offense and top 5 defense, nearly broke the sack record, had the best record in the league, are going to play in the SB, and have a 24 year old QB who was in the MVP running until he got hurt - and it’s “odd” that their situation is NBC viewed as favorable? Things change, opinions change. There are probably 30 fan bases a year that have fans talking their teams up, they can’t all be right every year. The Eagles displayed their talent & ability, so yeah, they’re viewed as a pretty “favorable” situation, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Yin-Yang said: They were a top 5 offense and top 5 defense, nearly broke the sack record, had the best record in the league, are going to play in the SB, and have a 24 year old QB who was in the MVP running until he got hurt - and it’s “odd” that their situation is NBC viewed as favorable? Things change, opinions change. There are probably 30 fan bases a year that have fans talking their teams up, they can’t all be right every year. The Eagles displayed their talent & ability, so yeah, they’re viewed as a pretty “favorable” situation, lol. He's saying it's odd that people are looking back at their 2020 roster and calling it a favorable place to be for a young QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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