Mox Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, Troy Brown said: I mean feel free to look them up I have. Have you? 60% of his shots come outside of 10 ft. Up until an outlier 2023 season he was a career 37.2% shooter from 3-10 feet. He's always been super low volume on 0-3 feet with last year being near a career low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Mox said: I have. Have you? 60% of his shots come outside of 10 ft. Up until an outlier 2023 season he was a career 37.2% shooter from 3-10 feet. He's always been super low volume on 0-3 feet with last year being near a career low. ah ok the argument you're making is that 2023 was an outlier. sure, agreed, before 2023, he was not a good post scorer. in 2023, he was. whatever weight you put on those stats is up to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I also truly don't care, I already said regardless of your opinion on what his role will be, he's a better post option than Horford or Williams. He adds a different dimension than what we've had in the Brown/Tatum era 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Troy Brown said: ah ok the argument you're making is that 2023 was an outlier. sure, agreed, before 2023, he was not a good post scorer. in 2023, he was. whatever weight you put on those stats is up to you. I've watched a ton of the guy. Regardless of whether you agree last season was an outlier or not, he is not someone who is going to get you many points in the low post unless he's on the receiving end of a cut. It's not that he isn't skilled enough to do it, it's that he can't ever get good position. He gets bodied by guys half a foot shorter than him and can't back them down. Is he a better finisher with better touch than Williams/Horford? Yeah. But he's also not going to get position like they do either. The minimal difference in post scoring isn't going to change much for the Celtics. It'll be his range, ability to move without the ball, be another dangerous scorer who isn't ball dominant, and defensive versatility that make him valuable. Focusing on his post play makes no sense when his strengths lie elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, Mox said: I have. Have you? 60% of his shots come outside of 10 ft. Up until an outlier 2023 season he was a career 37.2% shooter from 3-10 feet. He's always been super low volume on 0-3 feet with last year being near a career low. He scored the 4th most points per gm from postups last year and was the most efficient post scorer in the entire NBA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: He scored the 4th most points per gm from postups last year and was the most efficient post scorer in the entire NBA. Neither of those things are true. Actually, I take that back the PPG one is. Edited June 21, 2023 by Mox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Mox said: Neither of those things are true. So you think Synergy just got those ones wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 minute ago, 11sanchez11 said: So you think Synergy just got those ones wrong? I mean the second one is factually wrong. I'll give you one guess who the actual most efficient post player was in the NBA last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mox said: I mean the second one is factually wrong. I'll give you one guess who the actual most efficient post player was in the NBA last season. Jokic was when including team offense. When you only account for what happens when that players shoots the ball it was Zinger. Which is why I said post scorer. Denver's offense was more efficient when Jokic posted up than WAS' was when Zinger posted up. Zinger was still 2nd in that category among qualifiers tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just now, 11sanchez11 said: Jokic was when including team offense. When you only account for what happens when that players shoots the ball it was Zinger. Which is why I said post scorer. Denver's offense was more efficient when Jokic posted up than WAS' was when Zinger posted up. Zinger was still 2nd in that category among qualifiers tho. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure NBA.com does not use offense in general for PPP, only scoring. Jokic averaged 1.22 ppp in the post last season. He was first in efficiency and volume. KP was at an insane 1.18. In no other year of his career has he been above 1.0 or within 9% FG of what he shot 3-10 ft last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, Mox said: I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure NBA.com does not use offense in general for PPP, only scoring. Jokic averaged 1.22 ppp in the post last season. He was first in efficiency and volume. KP was at an insane 1.18. In no other year of his career has he been above 1.0 or within 9% FG of what he shot 3-10 ft last year. this is why i hate the internet bro had a great year. can he do it again? idk we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Dallas could have used Porzingis last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, DirtyDez said: Both Smart and Brogdon? Might be a low key cash dump unless they’re extending Zinger. Marcus morris not smart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DoleINGout Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I blame this on Brad Stevens somehow. He just seems like he has a banana peel perpetually under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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