Ozzy Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) 1) Philadelphia Eagles: I did not think AJ Brown was only 25 but he is, so that puts them over the top. Have Hurts and then the deepest receiver core in the NFL with all four of the top guys being under 25. Does depend on how Dean plays as a starter at ILB and if Swift does well, but that rookie class is insane and Sydney Brown should start at safety for them shortly. Not to mention UDFAs in Garner and Ricks, some solid dudes will get cut from this roster no question. And the DTs with Davis and Carter could be outstanding. AJ Brown Devonta Smith Jalen Hurts Landon Dickerson DeAndre Swift Jordan Davis Milton Williams Quez Watkins Olamide Zaccheaus Greedy Williams Nakobe Dean Kenneth Gainwell Janarius Robinson Notable Rookies: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Tyler Steen, Moro Ojomo, Mekhi Garner, Eli Ricks 2) Jacksonville Jaguars: Very promising young core with great young edge defenders in Walker and Allen, good young OL with Little, Fortner and Bartch and a super star QB. Very good ILB depth as well with Lloyd and Muma and a promising safety in Cisco. Trevor Lawrence Travon Walker Josh Allen Walker Little Travis Etienne Andre Cisco Tyson Campbell Devin Lloyd Luke Fortner Ben Bartch Chad Muma Tre Herndon Shaq Quarterman Notable Rookies: Antonio Johnson, Anton Harrison, Tank Bigsby, Parker Washington 3) LA Chargers: Having Herbert at QB helps them greatly, not to mention having a super star LT in Slater and a stud CB in Samuel as well. The depth is not as strong though as some other groups but depends on the rookie class, Henley could be great, Johnston could be really hard to handle and Tuli could be a stud, that dude is only 20 years old right now. Justin Herbert Rashawn Slater Asante Samuel Jr Kenneth Murray Jr Zion Johnson Joshua Palmer Jamaree Salyer Alohi Gilman Joshua Kelley Otito Ogbonnia Notable Rookies Tuli Tuipulotu, Quentin Johnston, Daiyan Henley 4) Seattle Seahawks: Only reason they are not 3rd is the lack of a super star young QB. Seattle has an extremely deep group overall and bookend tackles which is super rare in Cross and Lucas. And Witherspoon has a chance to be even better than Woolen was last year. Super star weapon in Metcalf on offense and Fant/Parkinson are great TEs and Walker is a beast as a RB then they add Charbonnet at RB and Smith-Njigba at WR who will he hell to cover. DK Metcalf Tariq Woolen Charles Cross Abraham Lucas Jordyn Brooks Noah Fant Kenneth Walker Colby Parkinson Julian Love Devin Bush Boye Mafe Alton Robinson Coby Bryant Notable Rookies: Devon Witherspoon, Smith-Njigba, Oluwatimi, Charbonnet, Derick Hall, Mike Morris 5) 49ers: The depth at QB helps them with both Lance and Purdy greatly, stud edge guy in Bosa and star safety in Hufanga. Decent depth but will have to depend a lot on the rookie class, no as many big names as some other teams though but again the QB options helps them out a ton. Nick Bosa Talanoa Hufanga Brock Purdy Brandon Aiyuk Trey Lance Jauan Jennings Spencer Burford Drake Jackson Aaron Banks Ambry Thomas Deommodore Lenoir Elijah Mitchell Marlon Davidson Notable Rookies: Ji'Ayir Brown, Cameron Latu, Ronnie Bell, Dee Winters 6) New York Giants: Extremely promising group especially on the OL with those stud tackles, star edge rusher in Thibodeaux and a beast in the middle with Dexter. Good depth at CB with a lot of guys and if one of those ILBs hit they will be very solid. Schmitz the rookie could be a huge improvement and Banks is super talented at corner, they would have been even higher but Barkley and Daniel Jones are both 26. Dexter Lawrence Andrew Thomas Kayvon Thibodeaux Evan Neal Xavier McKinney Azeez Ojulari Parris Campbell Isaiah Hodgins Daniel Bellinger Darnay Holmes Nick McCloud Cor'Dale Flott Micah McFadden Darrian Beavers Notable Rookies: John Michael Schmitz, Deonte Banks, Jalin Hyatt, 7) Detroit Lions: Very deep group that is for sure and depends a lot on how that rookie class does, if they do well they could really be good. Have solid players at almost all of the positions and good overall depth top to bottom no question. Aidan Hutchinson Penei Sewell Amon-Ra St. Brown CJ Gardner-Johnson James Houston Jerry Jacobs Derrick Barnes Malcom Rodriguez Kerby Joseph Julian Okwara Jameson Williams Alim McNeill Levi Onwuzurike Ifeatu Melifonwu Notable Rookies: Jack Campbell, Brian Branch, Sam LaPorta, Jahmyr Gibbs, Hendon Hooker 8 Dallas Cowboys: Maybe could be higher but the erratic behavior at times of Diggs and Lamb take them down a little. Still super star in Parsons and a solid OL with good core players in Smith and Biadasz. Do need some others to hit especially in the secondary on some of those DBs and at LB so we will see, depends a lot on that, not to mention at RB with Vaughn potentially. Micah Parsons CeeDee Lamb Trevon Diggs Tyler Smith Tyler Biadasz Sam Williams Osa Odighizuwa Damone Clark Jabril Cox Kelvin Joseph Israel Mukuamu Notable Rookies: Mazi Smith, DeMarvion Overshwon, Deuce Vaughn, Earl Bostick Jr 9) Kansas City Chiefs: Really it is the depth that is so impressive for them. Some of the guys have not taken that next step yet but overall is as deep and youthful as any team in the NFL. A lot of solid players and the young depth they have on the DL, LB and DB groups is super impressive. Helps with that solid OL in Humphrey and Trey Smith then adding Taylor, and on D getting Omenihu was good and Karlaftis has potential as well as the rookie Anudike-Uzomah. Creed Humphrey Trey Smith Jawaan Taylor Nick Bolton Mike Danna Charles Omenihu Willie Gay Clyde Edwards-Helaire Trent McDuffie George Karlaftis Isiah Pacheco Noah Gray Skyy Moore Treshawn Wharton Jaylen Watson Joshua Williams Leo Chenal Notable Rookies: Anudike-Uzomah, Rashee Rice, Cam Jones, Nic Jones, Wanya Morris 10) Minnesota Vikings: Could be higher but really need a standout on D and not sure that is the case, really depends on how Cine is as safety along with some younger corners if any of them actually show up. Murphy is a solid pickup at CB and offensively if Mattison can be good that is a really solid core with Jefferson, Hockenson then Cleveland and Darrisaw on the OL. Will help greatly if Addison is a stud at WR as well. Justin Jefferson Christian Darrisaw TJ Hockenson Byron Murphy Ezra Cleveland DJ Wonnum Alexander Mattison Cam Bynum Patrick Jones Ed Ingram Lewis Cine Notable Rookies: Jordan Addison, Mekhi Blackmon Ivan Pace Jr 11) Green Bay Packers: Maybe could be higher but depends on how Love plays and if Gary can stay healthy. Have some young studs though with Walker and Watson then you have Dillon who is a tank. Super depth on the DL especially with that great rookie class, not to mention the TEs who both as rookies could be outstanding. Then have a very solid and young OL core will a lot of depth. Rashan Gary AJ Dillon Jordan Love Quay Walker Christian Watson Josh Myers Eric Stokes Darnell Savage Romeo Doubs Jon Runyan Kingsley Enagbare Devonte Wyatt Zach Tom TJ Slaton Royce Newman Notable Rookies: Lukas Van Ness, Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, Jayden Reed, Colby Wooden, Karl Brooks 12) Carolina Panthers: If Bryce Young turns into a great player they could be a bit higher. They have superstars in Burns, Ekwonu and Chinn that is for sure and same could so be said for Horn maybe or Derrick Brown. A lot of talent there no question just need a little more consistency. tons of athletic players though. Brian Burns Ikem Ekwonu Jeremy Chinn Derrick Brown Jaycee Horn CJ Henderson Laviska Shenault Yetur Gross-Matos Keith Taylor Jr Chuba Hubbard Terrace Marshall Jr Brandon Smith Bravvion Roy Amare Barno Tommy Tremble Notable Rookie: Bryce Young, Jammie Robinson, Jonathan Mingo 13) Chicago Bears: Depends on how Fields progresses and what that OL looks like, could be much improved with Wright coming in as a rookie. They do have solid talented young receivers in Mooney and Claypool, very solid young DBs with Brisker, Johnson and Gordon then depth with Ojemudia and Vildor but need an edge guy to develop on defense. Justin Fields Termaine Edmunds Darnell Mooney Jaquan Brisker Jaylon Johnson Kyler Gordon Cole Kmet Chase Claypool Braxton Jones Khalil Herbert Jack Sanborn Dominique Robinson Teven Jenkins Michael Ojemudia Kindle Vildor Notable Rookies: Darnell Wright, Grevon Dexter, Noah Sewell, Tyrique Stevenson 14) Tennessee Titans: Depth at QB with multiple young options there, have a ton of young defensive backs who could be solid in time with Farley, Fulton, McCreary, Molden and Hooker. Simmons is one of the best in the NFL no question and when healthy Azeez is a great player. Skoronski as a rookie will help that OL a lot and have some other talented rookie OL who will help the depth as well Jeffrey Simmons Azeez Al-Shaair Treylon Burks Nicholas Petit-Frere Rashad Weaver Caleb Farley Kristian Fulton Chigoziem Okonkwo Roger McCreary Elijah Molden Amani Hooker Dillon Radunz Malik Willis Monty Rice Jack Gibbens Notable Rookies: Peter Skoronski, Will Levis, Tyjae Spears, John Ojukwu, Jaelyn Duncan 15) Pittsburgh Steelers: That rookie class could be as good as any, could have four starters come out of that group. Great core offensively with Pickett at QB, Harris at RB and at WR with Pickens not to mention Freiermuth at TE. Does depend greatly on the OL though, if Daniels/Okorafor can continue to improve and my guess is Broderick Jones starts sooner rather than later. Najee Harris Alex Highsmith Kenny Pickett George Pickens Pat Freiermuth Chukwuma Okorafor James Daniels Dan Moore Jr Jaylen Warren DeMarvin Leal Notable Rookies: Broderick Jones, Keeanu Benton, Joey Porter Jr, Nick Herbig, Darnell Washington, Calvin Austin, Cory Trice Just missed the cut: New York Jets: Could have made it but with Becton and Vera-Tucker being hurt that puts a little question into it not to mention Breece Hall. Jermaine Johnson will have to show out as well and they could be much higher or the rookie McDonald. Hard to get better than Gardner and Williams on D though, those are two studs, and combined with Wilson on offense that helps out their ranking a lot. Sauce Gardner Quinnen Williams Garrett Wilson Alijah Vera-Tucker Breece Hall Mekhi Becton Jermaine Johnson Bryce Hall Michael Carter Mecole Hardman Jr Zach Wilson Notable Rookies: Will McDonald, Carter Warren, Zach Kuntz New England Patriots: Really good group especially with the two QBs, talent at every level almost. Stud players potentially in rookies Gonzalez and White and they already have such great depth at DB even with the legal issues of Jack Jones. Mac Jones Rhamondre Stevenson Josh Uche Mike Onwenu Bailey Zappe Cole Strange Christian Barmore Marcus Jones Tyquan Thornton Mack Wilson Myles Bryant Jack Jones Andrew Stueber Anfernee Jennings Notable Rookies: Christian Gonzalez, Keion White, Pierre Strong, Jake Andrews, Isaiah Bolden Baltimore Ravens: Potential super stars in Hamilton and Linderbaum, very promising DL in Madubuike and Jones as well. Do need Oweh, Ojabo to show up as edge rushers though, and Bateman to stay healthy. Lamar Jackson is shockingly only 26, so if he was 25 they would be obviously higher. Kyle Hamilton Tyler Linderbaum Justin Madubuike Patrick Queen JK Dobbins Travis Jones Odafe Oweh Ben Cleveland Rashod Bateman Isaiah Likely Daniel Faalele Devin Duvernay Brandon Stephens David Ojabo Notable Rookies: Zay Flowers, Andrew Vorhees, Trenton Simpson Atlanta Falcons: Solid group but all depends on the QB, really depends on how great Bijan is as well and he could be really good. Fine secondary, if Phillips is solid which he could be they will have a very talented secondary. And London/Pitts are super weapons on offense. Drake London Kyle Pitts AJ Terrell Richie Grant Desmond Ridder Mykal Walker Kaden Elliss Jeff Okudah Troy Andersen Tyler Allgeier Arnold Ebiketie Jalen Mayfield Bijan Robinson, Matthew Bergeron, Clark Phillips, Zach Harrison Buffalo Bills: Very solid but really depends on how good Rousseau and Epenesa become, can throw in Oliver there as well. Also will be interesting how good Torrence is at OG and how good McGovern plays along with Spencer Brown. That will mean a lot, does not have the super stars at the top some other teams have though. Ed Oliver Gregory Rousseau Gabe Davis Spencer Brown AJ Epenesa Kaiir Elam Boogie Basham Taylor Rapp Connor McGovern James Cook Tim Settle Khalil Shakir Tommy Doyle Notable Rookies: Dalton Kincaid, O'Cyrus Torrence, Nick Broeker Denver Broncos: Have some crazy depth but a lot of the guys need to take their games to the next level. Surtain II is a super star as can be Javonte if he can stay healthy. Jeudy we will see about him, Allen is a nice signing by them and Browning is poised to have another big year. Solid OL pieces with Cushenberry and Meinerz as well. A lot of bodies and some bigger names coming out, they just have to take their play to another level. Patrick Surtain II Javonte Williams Jerry Jeudy Zach Allen Baron Browning Caden Sterns Greg Dulcich Lloyd Cushenberry Quinn Meinerz Albert Okwuegbunam Jonathon Cooper KJ Hamler Nik Bonitto Essang Bassey Marquez Callaway Eyioma Uwazurike Notable Rookies: Drew Sanders, Marvin Mims, Riley Moss, JL Skinner, Damarri Mathis, PJ Mustipher My top 15 players 25 years old or younger in the NFL. Justin Herbert Trevor Lawrence Micah Parsons Justin Jefferson Nick Bosa Rashawn Slater Jeffrey Simmons Quinnen Williams Sauce Gardner AJ Brown Dexter Lawrence Brian Burns Creed Humphrey DK Metcalf CeeDee Lamb Cowboys LB/WR, Chargers QB/OT and Jets CB/DT are the only teams with multiple players on that list. Edited July 4, 2023 by Ozzy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 24, 2023 Author Share Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Top NFL rosters of players under 25 years old. Changes things around for some a lot but not with the top 2. 1) Philadelphia Eagles: Still at the top with that draft class I feel, and still a really solid list of players that have already played in the NFL. Jalen Hurts Devonta Smith Landon Dickerson DeAndre Swift Jordan Davis Milton Williams Nakobe Dean Kenneth Gainwell Notable Rookies: Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Sydney Brown, Kelee Ringo, Tyler Steen, Moro Ojomo, Mekhi Garner, Eli Ricks 2) Jacksonville Jaguars: Still 2nd with Lawrence at QB and a really solid draft last year, only issue is the 2023 draft but we will see what they can do. If a few show out it will be a great group of young talent. Trevor Lawrence Travon Walker Walker Little Travis Etienne Andre Cisco Tyson Campbell Devin Lloyd Ben Bartch Chad Muma Tre Herndon Notable Rookies: Antonio Johnson, Anton Harrison, Tank Bigsby, Parker Washington 3) Dallas Cowboys: Moved up the list because of that top 4, three total super stars and one potentially right there with them. Will be interesting how the rookie class does Micah Parsons CeeDee Lamb Trevon Diggs Tyler Smith Sam Williams Osa Odighizuwa Damone Clark Kelvin Joseph Israel Mukuamu Notable Rookies: Mazi Smith, DeMarvion Overshwon, Deuce Vaughn, Earl Bostick Jr 4) New York Giants: Very solid group that is pretty deep, still have top of the line talent and depth on both sides of the ball. Andrew Thomas Kayvon Thibodeaux Evan Neal Xavier McKinney Azeez Ojulari Isaiah Hodgins Daniel Bellinger Nick McCloud Cor'Dale Flott Micah McFadden Darrian Beavers Notable Rookies: John Michael Schmitz, Deonte Banks, Jalin Hyatt 5) Seattle Seahawks: Still very solid group and a huge part are those two young tackles. The draft class should be amazing as well which helps a lot. Tariq Woolen Charles Cross Abraham Lucas Kenneth Walker Colby Parkinson Devin Bush Boye Mafe Coby Bryant Notable Rookies: Devon Witherspoon, Smith-Njigba, Oluwatimi, Charbonnet, Derick Hall, Mike Morris 6) Denver Broncos: Extremely deep group of young talent under 25. Three studs at the top and could arguably 4-5 of them are stud players potentially. Solid collection and good talent coming in. Patrick Surtain II Javonte Williams Jerry Jeudy Baron Browning Caden Sterns Greg Dulcich Quinn Meinerz KJ Hamler Nik Bonitto Essang Bassey Eyioma Uwazurike Notable Rookies: Drew Sanders, Marvin Mims, Riley Moss, JL Skinner, Damarri Mathis, PJ Mustipher 7) Chicago Bears: A lot will depend on the play of the OL of course, but still a ton of young DBs and athletic pass catches. Justin Fields Jaquan Brisker Jaylon Johnson Kyler Gordon Cole Kmet Chase Claypool Braxton Jones Jack Sanborn Dominique Robinson Notable Rookies: Darnell Wright, Grevon Dexter, Noah Sewell, Tyrique Stevenson 8 New England Patriots: You have two QBs in that mix and one of them will turn out, great defender in Uche and really that rookie class will be the tell. Gonzalez and White could be absolutely outstanding pros but we will see, that is really why I have them this high because of those two. Mac Jones Josh Uche Bailey Zappe Cole Strange Christian Barmore Tyquan Thornton Marcus Jones Andrew Stueber Notable Rookies: Christian Gonzalez, Keion White, Pierre Strong, Jake Andrews, Isaiah Bolden 9) Detroit Lions: Really solid group still, tons of talent and depth especially considering that rookie class could do very well. Aidan Hutchinson Penei Sewell Amon-Ra St. Brown James Houston Derrick Barnes Malcom Rodriguez Kerby Joseph Jameson Williams Alim McNeill Ifeatu Melifonwu Notable Rookies: Jack Campbell, Brian Branch, Sam LaPorta, Jahmyr Gibbs 10) Carolina Panthers: Still a lot of very talented young players even with a pretty small draft class. Ikem Ekwonu Jaycee Horn CJ Henderson Laviska Shenault Keith Taylor Jr Chuba Hubbard Terrace Marshall Jr Brandon Smith Amare Barno Tommy Tremble Notable Rookie: Bryce Young, Jammie Robinson, Jonathan Mingo 11) Kansas City Chiefs: Still crazy good depth at a variety of positions, super solid on the OL still and a ton of that is clearly because of Humphrey and Smith. Creed Humphrey Trey Smith Nick Bolton Clyde Edwards-Helaire Trent McDuffie George Karlaftis Isiah Pacheco Noah Gray Skyy Moore Treshawn Wharton Jaylen Watson Joshua Williams Leo Chenal Notable Rookies: Anudike-Uzomah, Rashee Rice, Cam Jones, Nic Jones, Wanya Morris 12) LA Chargers: Moved down the list a bit without Herbert at QB obviously, still a really solid group and those three in that rookie class could do very well next year. Rashawn Slater Asante Samuel Jr Kenneth Murray Jr Zion Johnson Joshua Palmer Jamaree Salyer Otito Ogbonnia Notable Rookies Tuli Tuipulotu, Quentin Johnston, Daiyan Henley 13) 49ers: Good group and again because of the QBs, but a few of those DBs will have to pick up there level of play considering who they lost. Talanoa Hufanga Brock Purdy Trey Lance Spencer Burford Drake Jackson Ambry Thomas Deommodore Lenoir Marlon Davidson Notable Rookies: Ji'Ayir Brown, Cameron Latu, Ronnie Bell, Dee Winters 14) Atlanta Falcons: Promising group of young talent no question. Drake London Kyle Pitts AJ Terrell Desmond Ridder Kaden Elliss Jeff Okudah Troy Andersen Tyler Allgeier Arnold Ebiketie Jalen Mayfield Notable Rookies: Bijan Robinson, Matthew Bergeron, Clark Phillips, Zach Harrison 15) New York Jets: Still depends greatly on the health of those two OL but still a lot of talented players. Sauce Gardner Garrett Wilson Alijah Vera-Tucker Breece Hall Mekhi Becton Jermaine Johnson Michael Carter Zach Wilson Notable Rookies: Will McDonald, Carter Warren, Zach Kuntz Just missed the cut: Baltimore Ravens: Still super deep group, a lot of guys are going to have to step up and again especially those edge rushers in Oweh and Ojabo. Really solid group though. Kyle Hamilton Tyler Linderbaum Patrick Queen JK Dobbins Travis Jones Odafe Oweh Ben Cleveland Rashod Bateman Isaiah Likely Daniel Faalele David Ojabo Notable Rookies: Zay Flowers, Andrew Vorhees, Trenton Simpson Cleveland Browns: Good collection of players with a few potential stars in there, not a hyped up draft class but have some size and Ika could become a great pro. Jedrick Wills Jr Donovan Peoples-Jones Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Elijah Moore Greg Newsome Grant Delpit Martin Emerson Jr David Bell Thomas Graham Notable Rookies: Dawand Jones, Siaki Ika, Cedric Tillman Pittsburgh Steelers: Lost some studs with that 25 cutoff, but that draft class could be insanely good and is worth keeping this group in. That and those three young offensive weapons. George Pickens Pat Freiermuth Dan Moore Jr Jaylen Warren DeMarvin Leal Notable Rookies: Broderick Jones, Keeanu Benton, Joey Porter Jr, Nick Herbig, Darnell Washington, Calvin Austin, Cory Trice Teams that fell off the list with that under 25 cut, Vikings, Packers, Titans, Edited July 4, 2023 by Ozzy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC33 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Surprised to see the Jets so low - I would think consensus has them top-5 or top-10, but it depends how the rankings are weighted. A lot of names here that I wouldn't amount to much, at least not at this point. AVT/Hall were both having All-pro seasons prior to injury and it's not like either are injury prone, whereas the knock on Becton is more than justified. I would take the Jets top-5 over pretty much any group here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 26, 2023 Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 10 hours ago, NJC33 said: Surprised to see the Jets so low - I would think consensus has them top-5 or top-10, but it depends how the rankings are weighted. A lot of names here that I wouldn't amount to much, at least not at this point. AVT/Hall were both having All-pro seasons prior to injury and it's not like either are injury prone, whereas the knock on Becton is more than justified. I would take the Jets top-5 over pretty much any group here. True they could be higher but again the injury issues potentially long term with Vera-Tucker, Hall and Becton have to matter. Not to mention that draft class honestly was nothing amazing at all this past year, a few potential missed picks there but we will see. Also I thought Johnson would have been better than he was last year but he still has a chance to be good, where as Zach Wilson not sure he has a chance to be good. Depth to me matters a lot, take the Eagles for example their depth absolutely blows the Jets out of the water, especially in regards to the most recent draft class. The Jets just need more production and impactful play from the young guys, sure they get it for two or three of them, but not 7-8 of them. Chiefs for example had big time performances from some super late round draft picks in big time moments, Jets did not really have that. And looking back I did not include Max Mitchell but didn't he kind of suck last year and no way is a starter this up coming year? I did consider just doing the top 4-5 players and that is it but thought against that because depth does matter a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC33 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/26/2023 at 7:08 PM, Ozzy said: True they could be higher but again the injury issues potentially long term with Vera-Tucker, Hall and Becton have to matter. Not to mention that draft class honestly was nothing amazing at all this past year, a few potential missed picks there but we will see. Also I thought Johnson would have been better than he was last year but he still has a chance to be good, where as Zach Wilson not sure he has a chance to be good. Depth to me matters a lot, take the Eagles for example their depth absolutely blows the Jets out of the water, especially in regards to the most recent draft class. The Jets just need more production and impactful play from the young guys, sure they get it for two or three of them, but not 7-8 of them. Chiefs for example had big time performances from some super late round draft picks in big time moments, Jets did not really have that. And looking back I did not include Max Mitchell but didn't he kind of suck last year and no way is a starter this up coming year? I did consider just doing the top 4-5 players and that is it but thought against that because depth does matter a ton. Neither AVT or Hall have injury issues to warrant long-term concern. That could obviously change, but for both it's the first significant injury (college/pros), and if that's the thresh-hold it probably applies to most players. Becton is a different story; unlimited potential, but anything at this point would be a bonus. Depth is harder to project out, so many young guys that potentially look like quality depth initially are replaced and quickly forgotten. It's a projection with the slimmest odds. Mitchell looked good early, had a lot of us buzzing after 2-3 games, but was pretty awful the next 2-3 before blood clots ended his season. I wouldn't project him being anything more than a backup at this point. Three guys not mentioned that definitely should be, Michael Carter II, Bryce Huff and Micheal Clemons. Michael Carter II is the better of the two Michael Carter's on the Jets. He's lesser known, but one of the best slot CBs in football. Huff is one of, if not the most efficient pass rushers in the league, despite being stuck in a situational role. He led the NFL in pressure percentage, pass-rush win rate and get off. Clemons had a really solid rookie season, bigger impact than expected (specifically against the run). Also, Quinnen is missing from the updated post. I think you're off in saying the Jets don't have 7-8 impactful young guys, especially relative to other teams. I see them as having 5 legitimate all-pro candidates right now (Q, Sauce, Wilson, Breece, AVT) + a mix of starting quality, high-upside or solid depth players in Becton, J.J, MC II, Huff, Clemons and McDonald. Hard to keep tabs on every team, enjoyed reading through your list of teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 30, 2023 Author Share Posted June 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, NJC33 said: Neither AVT or Hall have injury issues to warrant long-term concern. That could obviously change, but for both it's the first significant injury (college/pros), and if that's the thresh-hold it probably applies to most players. Becton is a different story; unlimited potential, but anything at this point would be a bonus. Depth is harder to project out, so many young guys that potentially look like quality depth initially are replaced and quickly forgotten. It's a projection with the slimmest odds. Mitchell looked good early, had a lot of us buzzing after 2-3 games, but was pretty awful the next 2-3 before blood clots ended his season. I wouldn't project him being anything more than a backup at this point. Three guys not mentioned that definitely should be, Michael Carter II, Bryce Huff and Micheal Clemons. Michael Carter II is the better of the two Michael Carter's on the Jets. He's lesser known, but one of the best slot CBs in football. Huff is one of, if not the most efficient pass rushers in the league, despite being stuck in a situational role. He led the NFL in pressure percentage, pass-rush win rate and get off. Clemons had a really solid rookie season, bigger impact than expected (specifically against the run). Also, Quinnen is missing from the updated post. I think you're off in saying the Jets don't have 7-8 impactful young guys, especially relative to other teams. I see them as having 5 legitimate all-pro candidates right now (Q, Sauce, Wilson, Breece, AVT) + a mix of starting quality, high-upside or solid depth players in Becton, J.J, MC II, Huff, Clemons and McDonald. Hard to keep tabs on every team, enjoyed reading through your list of teams. I am not super familiar with Huff or Carter II, Huff I do have a hard to believing he is one of the most effective pass rushers in the league, what based on some random PFF stat of course? Sure he is solid but if he was so good there would have been no need to draft Jermaine Johnson, bring in Carl Lawson or draft Will McDonald in this past years draft. So kind of hard believing Huff is some kind of star in the waiting there being on the team 3 years already. If he was so great again no need to bring in two of those three guys they added in the past two seasons. Quinnen I did not included in the 2nd post because that was a list of teams with best players under 25 and Quinnen was not included because he is 25. The first list of best rosters of players 25 and younger he is on that. Maybe I underrate Clemons, I liked him coming out but I think a lot of his success could have been because of the attention guys like Quinnen Williams gets and Sheldon Rankins who is now gone and Shepard is gone as well so will be interesting how that DL looks. Part of it is also McDonald I was not super high on coming out, he is so little but it is good he is not going to a true 3/4 D and is more of a 4/3 D and they can move McDonald around and play him some at OLB which is kind of weak for them and they do not have any dudes there. Possibly just use his athletic ability then he will not have to hold up on the edge being only 235ish. And yes the draft they had I was not a huge fan of, I think Tippman is a massive reach and their were better centers drafted after him that will be better pro players long term but we will see. Carter Warren could make up for it he is a solid OT prospect, Israel could be a great pickup at RB and is big time insurance for Hall if he gets hurt again. Kuntz I loved at TE and he could be a steal and a massive weapon and Jarrick is an ok CB and could give depth, but again I feel they could have reached with those first two picks but time will tell. If all their younger guys stay healthy, sure they would greatly move up the list, it will be interesting how they do. A lot of those teams like the Eagles, Jaguars and Chargers are being lead by a young talented QB which greatly improves their young unit overall. Prime example are the Chargers, #3 on the list of top rosters of players 25 years old or younger, then drop down to 12th on the list of players under 25 years old. The Jets having Rodgers as the QB and not a super star promising young QB, that hurts the unit of course in a list like that. I am not in the camp of Zach Wilson will be a great pro, had questions about him coming out of college and obviously more questions once he has played a bit. Maybe I am wrong on that but if he was as good as say Mac Jones it would be a different story, and Mac Jones has not even been all that great so far for a few reasons but has been way better than Zach Wilson has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC33 Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Ozzy said: I am not super familiar with Huff or Carter II, Huff I do have a hard to believing he is one of the most effective pass rushers in the league, what based on some random PFF stat of course? Sure he is solid but if he was so good there would have been no need to draft Jermaine Johnson, bring in Carl Lawson or draft Will McDonald in this past years draft. So kind of hard believing Huff is some kind of star in the waiting there being on the team 3 years already. If he was so great again no need to bring in two of those three guys they added in the past two seasons. Quinnen I did not included in the 2nd post because that was a list of teams with best players under 25 and Quinnen was not included because he is 25. The first list of best rosters of players 25 and younger he is on that. Maybe I underrate Clemons, I liked him coming out but I think a lot of his success could have been because of the attention guys like Quinnen Williams gets and Sheldon Rankins who is now gone and Shepard is gone as well so will be interesting how that DL looks. Part of it is also McDonald I was not super high on coming out, he is so little but it is good he is not going to a true 3/4 D and is more of a 4/3 D and they can move McDonald around and play him some at OLB which is kind of weak for them and they do not have any dudes there. Possibly just use his athletic ability then he will not have to hold up on the edge being only 235ish. And yes the draft they had I was not a huge fan of, I think Tippman is a massive reach and their were better centers drafted after him that will be better pro players long term but we will see. Carter Warren could make up for it he is a solid OT prospect, Israel could be a great pickup at RB and is big time insurance for Hall if he gets hurt again. Kuntz I loved at TE and he could be a steal and a massive weapon and Jarrick is an ok CB and could give depth, but again I feel they could have reached with those first two picks but time will tell. If all their younger guys stay healthy, sure they would greatly move up the list, it will be interesting how they do. A lot of those teams like the Eagles, Jaguars and Chargers are being lead by a young talented QB which greatly improves their young unit overall. Prime example are the Chargers, #3 on the list of top rosters of players 25 years old or younger, then drop down to 12th on the list of players under 25 years old. The Jets having Rodgers as the QB and not a super star promising young QB, that hurts the unit of course in a list like that. I am not in the camp of Zach Wilson will be a great pro, had questions about him coming out of college and obviously more questions once he has played a bit. Maybe I am wrong on that but if he was as good as say Mac Jones it would be a different story, and Mac Jones has not even been all that great so far for a few reasons but has been way better than Zach Wilson has been. I said Huff was one of the most efficient pass-rushers, not effective.. i.e he makes the most of his opportunities. That isn't to say he's a star in the making. To your point, the Jets look ready to let him walk (FA next year) and have been reluctant to increase his role. That said, I think pass-rush win rate and pressure rate are legitimate metrics and it's eye opening to see a lesser known guy surrounded by the leagues best pass rushers on those lists. If nothing more, he's great depth as a situational pass rusher. Didn't realize they were separate lists. Ultimately it comes down to how the rankings are weighted - I guess I'm looking at it more from the perspective of which teams have the best "young core" and wouldn't group unproven talent or most rookies into that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 10:32 AM, Ozzy said: Pittsburgh Steelers: Lost some studs with that 25 cutoff, but that draft class could be insanely good and is worth keeping this group in. That and those three young offensive weapons. Diontae Johnson George Pickens Pat Freiermuth Dan Moore Jr Jaylen Warren DeMarvin Leal Notable Rookies: Broderick Jones, Keeanu Benton, Joey Porter Jr, Nick Herbig, Darnell Washington, Calvin Austin You have Diontae Johnson on both lists, and he shouldn't be on either. He will be 27 tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 4, 2023 Author Share Posted July 4, 2023 1 hour ago, 43M said: You have Diontae Johnson on both lists, and he shouldn't be on either. He will be 27 tomorrow. I will correct that, the lists I was looking at was incorrect. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) A list of some of the 20 youngest players in the NFL based on this past 2023 draft, the list did not include OL however. Tuli like I said is crazy young, Israel is the youngest and no shocker Christian Gonzalez is on the list as a RS SOPH, same with Anthony Richardson and Noah Sewell. Kind of surprised Jordan Addison is on the list, but he was wildly productive from the get go on Pitt then USC last year so that is three years of legit production where most of these guys do not have that. RB 2023 Abanikanda, Israel Jets Pittsburgh 10/5/02 20.8 DL 2023 Tuipulotu, Tuli Chargers USC 9/3/02 20.8 CB 2023 Gonzalez, Christian Patriots Oregon 6/28/02 21 RB 2023 Miller, Kendre Saints TCU 6/11/02 21.1 QB 2023 Richardson, Anthony Colts Florida 5/22/02 21.1 WR 2023 Boutte, Kayshon Patriots LSU 5/7/02 21.2 LB 2023 Sewell, Noah Bears Oregon 4/26/02 21.2 DE 2023 Ojulari, BJ Cardinals LSU 4/5/02 21.3 WR 2023 Washington, Parker Jaguars Penn State 3/21/02 21.3 RB 2023 Gibbs, Jahmyr Lions Alabama 3/20/02 21.3 WR 2023 Mims, Marvin Broncos Oklahoma 3/19/02 21.3 WR 2023 Smith-Njigba, Jaxon Seahawks Ohio State 2/14/02 21.4 RB 2023 Robinson, Bijan Falcons Texas 1/30/02 21.4 WR 2023 Addison, Jordan Vikings USC 1/27/02 21.4 DE 2023 Anudike-Uzomah, Felix Chiefs Kansas State 1/24/02 21.5 RB 2023 Mitchell, Keaton Ravens East Carolina 1/17/02 21.5 DE 2023 Murphy, Myles Bengals Clemson 1/3/02 21.5 LB 2023 Sanders, Drew Broncos Arkansas 12/31/01 21.5 LB 2023 Herbig, Nick Steelers Wisconsin 11/21/01 21.6 RB 2023 Vaughn, Deuce Cowboys Kansas State 11/2/01 21.7 Edited July 6, 2023 by Ozzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 Then here is the oldest players with the oldest being at the bottom, again the list not including OL for whatever reason. Not a huge shocker with dudes who were in college football for 6 years most of them and got that COVID year and a medical redshirt year usually. Kind of surprised Keion White was on that list, I thought he was younger than that, and surprised Jaren Hall was on that list but I guess he did have a lot of time at BYU early where he did very little. DE 2023 Diaby, Yaya Buccaneers Louisville 5/13/99 24.2 DT 2023 Turner, Kobie Rams Wake Forest 4/26/99 24.2 WR 2023 Dowell, Colton Titans Utah 4/19/99 24.2 QB 2023 Morgan, Tanner Steelers Minnesota 4/17/99 24.2 QB 2023 Tune, Clayton Cardinals Houston 3/23/99 24.3 CB 2023 Blackmon, Mekhi Vikings USC 3/18/99 24.3 QB 2023 Haener, Jake Saints Fresno State 3/10/99 24.3 DE 2023 White, Keion Patriots Georgia Tech 1/20/99 24.5 QB 2023 Martinez, Adrian Lions Kansas State 1/7/99 24.5 WR 2023 Jones, Charlie Bengals Purdue 10/29/98 24.7 LB 2023 Johnson, DJ Panthers Oregon 10/21/98 24.7 QB 2023 Cunningham, Malik Patriots Louisville 10/6/98 24.8 TE 2023 Schoonmaker, Luke Cowboys Michigan 9/28/98 24.8 RB 2023 Ibrahim, Mohamed Lions Minnesota 9/8/98 24.8 QB 2023 O'Connell, Aidan Raiders Purdue 9/1/98 24.9 QB 2023 Clifford, Sean Packers Penn State 7/14/98 25 QB 2023 Hall, Jaren Vikings BYU 3/24/98 25.3 DE 2023 Young, Byron Rams Tennessee 3/13/98 25.3 QB 2023 Hooker, Hendon Lions Tennessee 1/13/98 25.5 QB 2023 Bennett, Stetson Rams Georgia 10/28/97 25.7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 On 6/24/2023 at 2:04 PM, Ozzy said: Atlanta Falcons: Solid group but all depends on the QB, really depends on how great Bijan is as well and he could be really good. Fine secondary, if Phillips is solid which he could be they will have a very talented secondary. And London/Pitts are super weapons on offense. Drake London Kyle Pitts AJ Terrell Richie Grant Desmond Ridder Mykal Walker Kaden Elliss Jeff Okudah Troy Andersen Tyler Allgeier Arnold Ebiketie Jalen Mayfield Bijan Robinson, Matthew Bergeron, Clark Phillips, Zach Harrison If Ridder shows out, this group will move up quickly. Bergeron and Robinson should both see a lot of action this year. Harrison will be learning from Calais Campbell for at least this season, but will play the same role he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, scar988 said: If Ridder shows out, this group will move up quickly. Bergeron and Robinson should both see a lot of action this year. Harrison will be learning from Calais Campbell for at least this season, but will play the same role he does. It is a good group no question, and yes Ridder will be huge overall in how the unit looks long term. London, Pitts, Terrell and Grant are a great group of young players though no question. Okudah who knows with him, at times he looks good but other times not, Andersen I feel could be a stud, Ellis and Walker have both been productive. Mayfield is probably a bust but who knows, Bijan should be awesome and yeah Bergeron should be very good as well. That really solid draft does help them a lot in this ranking. Phillips I feel could be a stud slot or boundary corner and is super underrated. Still at the moment that QB spot is a big question mark, I am not totally sold on Ridder until he proves himself more. My guess is Heinicke starts for them more than once this up coming year but we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ozzy said: It is a good group no question, and yes Ridder will be huge overall in how the unit looks long term. London, Pitts, Terrell and Grant are a great group of young players though no question. Okudah who knows with him, at times he looks good but other times not, Andersen I feel could be a stud, Ellis and Walker have both been productive. Mayfield is probably a bust but who knows, Bijan should be awesome and yeah Bergeron should be very good as well. That really solid draft does help them a lot in this ranking. Phillips I feel could be a stud slot or boundary corner and is super underrated. Still at the moment that QB spot is a big question mark, I am not totally sold on Ridder until he proves himself more. My guess is Heinicke starts for them more than once this up coming year but we will see. Mayfield is a bust. He's the backup RT now. I don't think Heinicke starts at all this year unless Ridder gets hurt. Based on what I've seen of Ridder both in camp practices and otherwise, he's not losing that job because of talent. He will only not start if he's physically unable to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 15, 2023 Author Share Posted July 15, 2023 On 7/6/2023 at 4:31 PM, scar988 said: Mayfield is a bust. He's the backup RT now. I don't think Heinicke starts at all this year unless Ridder gets hurt. Based on what I've seen of Ridder both in camp practices and otherwise, he's not losing that job because of talent. He will only not start if he's physically unable to. It will be interesting with Ridder. Taylor Heinicke had that one season where he had almost 3500 yard season and 20 TDs. Not sure Ridder is all that much better than Heinicke, and is clearly way less experienced as a starter compared to Heinicke. Even Baker Mayfield is lucky to have a job in the NFL with the Bucs who are QB desperate, but he had what three straight 3500 yard seasons and 20+ TDs early in his career, now is close to just a backup unless he can resurrect his career in Tampa. Granted that was with a Browns team that had a stacked roster especially on the OL and RB/TE groups. Is Ridder that much better than Mayfield? I would say no, so I would not be shocked if they are in search for another young QB come next years draft but we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.