IHatesnyder Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 I hope we can sign a free agent DE like Allen or Burns it’d help make our first round pick even easier . Tatu been ballin in college who I would love first round . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I love Howell but I think Maye has the higher ceiling just based off his size. I mean, that's well and good but I don't want both of them on the roster. If you draft Maye you have to move Howell. At the pace he's currently at he's going to come close to or eclipse 30 TD passes and will throw for 5K yards. How do you then turn around and sit that go on the bench? lol ****I just want to add to this its solely based on trading up and the cost. If they choose Maye with their natural pick then I can live with it. If you trade up for a QB after the season Howell is having I think you're making a giant mistake and the cost will be painful and hurt the build. Edited November 26, 2023 by lavar703 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 31 minutes ago, Tony7188 said: If Arizona finishes ahead of the Patriots for #2 overall, would you trade up from #5 for Maye? It shouldn’t cost too much ammo. Last time we traded up to the #2 pick from the #6 pick on 2012 it cost us our 2012 first & second round picks plus a first round pick in 2013 and 2014. The only player I’d trade up for is Caleb Williams but given that he's from DC, I wouldn't do so. The last several players we've drafted from the DC area have had too many off the field distractions & ended up not being what they should've been for us given their natural talent level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I mean, that's well and good but I don't want both of them on the roster. If you draft Maye you have to move Howell. At the pace he's currently at he's going to come close to or eclipse 30 TD passes and will throw for 5K yards. How do you then turn around and sit that go on the bench? lol Easy, he's under contract. I don't see the harm in having Howell as the best back in the NFL for the 2024 season should Maye be better than Howell. I'd move Howell in 2025 for picks though as long as Maye ends up being better. Edited November 26, 2023 by turtle28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 minute ago, turtle28 said: I don't see the harm in having Howell as the best back in the NFL for the 2024 season should Maye be better than Howell. I'd move Howell in 2025 for picks though as long as Maye ends up being better. I'm not giving up multiple first round picks for a question mark in Maye. Williams, maybe and that's a big maybe taking his attitude into consideration but I am not dumping a bunch of draft picks for what appears to never work out for the team doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I'm not giving up multiple first round picks for a question mark in Maye. Williams, maybe and that's a big maybe taking his attitude into consideration but I am not dumping a bunch of draft picks for what appears to never work out for the team doing it. I wouldn't trade up for Maye. I would draft him with our natural pick if he falls to us. I 100% agree I'm not trading up for anyone. I wouldn’t trade down either. I’m staying with our natural pick and taking the best player available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, IHatesnyder said: I hope we can sign a free agent DE like Allen or Burns it’d help make our first round pick even easier . Tatu been ballin in college who I would love first round . I wouldn't sign a 3rd DL & pay them $20 mil plus a year. I think the way to go at DE is to sign a veteran who's not going to cost $20 mil plus a year & then draft a DE with one of our R2 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, turtle28 said: I wouldn't sign a 3rd DL & pay them $20 mil plus a year. I think the way to go at DE is to sign a veteran who's not going to cost $20 mil plus a year & then draft a DE with one of our R2 picks. I can't think of a more disappointing scenario for me than another 1st round DL lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Im not sure if I would trade up but if I did I would only trade up for C. Williams. Don’t know how the new ownership views SH. Usually new ownership and front office personnel want to choose their own QB. A trade up for C. Williams would be incredible, but I think getting Maye would be a great move for the future too. Maye’s ceiling is Big Ben/Phillip Rivers imo. In addition, you restart the rookie QB contract. SH is a UFA in 2 years. Edited November 26, 2023 by Tony7188 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Just now, Tony7188 said: Usually new ownership and front office personnel want to choose their own QB. A trade up for C. Williams would be incredible, but I think getting Maye would be a great move for the future too. SH is good but I think Maye has a higher ceiling. Lets be realistic here, for us to move up we're looking at at least two firsts and probably a second plus more. When was the last time a team traded up with a big package of picks for a QB and it worked out? Instead of dealing all those picks away wouldn't it make more sense to put a line around Howell otherwise we'll have Drake Maye running for his life for the next two years most likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, lavar703 said: Let’s be realistic here, for us to move up we're looking at at least two firsts and probably a second plus more. When was the last time a team traded up with a big package of picks for a QB and it worked out? Instead of dealing all those picks away wouldn't it make more sense to put a line around Howell otherwise we'll have Drake Maye running for his life for the next two years most likely. That makes sense. Joe Alt or MHJ (if you can get him) would be a big get as well. I wouldn’t touch Bowers with a top 5 pick. Elite talent, but the positional value isn’t there. Edited November 26, 2023 by Tony7188 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tony7188 said: That makes sense. Joe Alt or MHJ (if you can get him) would be a big get as well. I wouldn’t touch Bowers with a top 5 pick. Elite talent, but the positional value isn’t there. Yeah, I love Bowers but I would take MHJ or Fashanu over him. Not sure I'd go Alt over him though. I think Alt is going to struggle at LT in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosEisley Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: I can't imagine MHJ falling to #7 or even to #4 in the draft but I'd take it if he does. No, me neither, but the PFF simulator did this time.🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosEisley Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Now with the fifth pick. WAS Marvin Harrison Jr. WR Ohio State 36. WAS Laiatu Latu EDGE UCLA 38. WAS Donovan Jackson OG Ohio State 69. WAS D.J. James CB Auburn 96. WAS Johnny Wilson WR Florida State 102. WAS T.J. Tampa CB Iowa State 133. WAS Jordan Burch EDGE Oregon 166. WAS Dontay Corleone DT Cincinnati 197. WAS Jamon Dumas-Johnson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHatesnyder Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: I wouldn't sign a 3rd DL & pay them $20 mil plus a year. I think the way to go at DE is to sign a veteran who's not going to cost $20 mil plus a year & then draft a DE with one of our R2 picks. Why not ? We got 90 mil in cap space and burns and Allen are young . We have to use the money somehow . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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