AngusMcFife Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 9 hours ago, typecast said: Comparing offenses across 2 years is a bit suspect (2021 to 2023). Especially since Kittle struggled with injuries in 2021 and Aiyuk was still developing. Why not compare the 2022 numbers? Garapollo (whole season): 103 QB rating (with 5/10 games with CMC) Garapollo (games with CMC): 110 QB rating Purdy: 107 QB rating (with 5/5 games with CMC) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Comparing offenses across 2 years is a bit suspect (2021 to 2023). Especially since Kittle struggled with injuries in 2021 and Aiyuk was still developing. Why not compare the 2022 numbers? Garapollo (whole season): 103 QB rating (with 5/10 games with CMC) Garapollo (games with CMC): 110 QB rating Purdy: 107 QB rating (with 5/5 games with CMC) Smith - 104.7 Passer Rating Patty Y1 - 76.4 Passer Rating (1 game) Patty Y2 - 113.8 Passer Rating - MVP. Jimmy - 103.0 Passer Rating Purdy Y1 - 107.3 Passer Rating (6 games + 17 snaps/2 games + 1 snap/1 game) Purdy Y2 - 119.0 Passer Rating - ???. Edited December 21, 2023 by typecast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: Comparing offenses across 2 years is a bit suspect (2021 to 2023). Especially since Kittle struggled with injuries in 2021 and Aiyuk was still developing. Why not compare the 2022 numbers? Garapollo (whole season): 103 QB rating (with 5/10 games with CMC) Garapollo (games with CMC): 110 QB rating Purdy: 107 QB rating (with 5/5 games with CMC) All that shows us is Jimmy vs 2022 Purdy, though. 2022 Purdy was great, but he was still a rookie. 2023 Purdy has been able to go through training camp as QB1 with Shanahan being able to spend the whole offseason designing the offense around him, and he's developed a much better deep ball than what he had last year or Jimmy ever had. Last year's Purdy was a more mobile, less-turnover prone Jimmy who still relied on the short to intermediate game with the occasional deep throw. Many of us in the Niners subforum said we would have been happy if he could continue this pace in 2023 on a much cheaper deal than Jimmy. This year Purdy's proven he can beat teams with the deep ball if the short gains aren't there(and he'll often go for the big play over a checkdown if the opportunity is there). To put it another way, whenever I saw Jimmy throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield I was hoping it would hit the ground. Whenever I see Purdy throw it, I'm hoping the receiver doesn't drop it. Edited December 21, 2023 by jonnguy2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, jonnguy2015 said: All that shows us is Jimmy vs 2022 Purdy, though. 2022 Purdy was great, but he was still a rookie. 2023 Purdy has been able to go through training camp as QB1 with Shanahan being able to spend the whole offseason designing the offense around him, and he's developed a much better deep ball than what he had last year or Jimmy ever had. Last year's Purdy was a more mobile, less-turnover prone Jimmy who still relied on the short to intermediate game with the occasional deep throw. Many of us in the Niners subforum said we would have been happy if he could continue this pace in 2023 on a much cheaper deal than Jimmy. This year Purdy's proven he can beat teams with the deep ball if the short gains aren't there(and he'll often go for the big play over a checkdown if the opportunity is there). To put it another way, whenever I saw Jimmy throw the ball more than 20 yards downfield I was hoping it would hit the ground. Whenever I see Purdy throw it, I'm hoping the receiver doesn't drop it. I could also change it this way: "2022 [CMC] was great, but he was still [traded in season]. 2023 [CMC] has been able to go through training camp as RB1 with Shanahan being able to spend the whole offseason designing the offense around him." But yes I concede 2023 Purdy could be better than 2022 Purdy. I can't comment on the accuracy of the deep ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_DeBerg_Fan_420 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, AngusMcFife said: I could also change it this way: "2022 [CMC] was great, but he was still [traded in season]. 2023 [CMC] has been able to go through training camp as RB1 with Shanahan being able to spend the whole offseason designing the offense around him." But yes I concede 2023 Purdy could be better than 2022 Purdy. I can't comment on the accuracy of the deep ball. Dude? Really? It;'s like, running backs and QB;'s p]lay different p]ositions. You cannot look at stats for a QB while kittle is banged up], but are now ignoring the p]osition a guy p]lays and the resp]onsibablities of that p]osition. 2Yes, you could change it that way, but it doesn;'t p]rove anything or even make any sense. 2Everyone needs to p]ut their cherry p]ickers down and watch some tap]e. I p]refer the 22 man on NFL)+. P}ause the p]lay when brock starts to throw, then look at the field. Then watch other dudes run the same stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Still think it's CMC, not Purdy. He's a RB though so it will go to a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: Still think it's CMC, not Purdy. He's a RB though so it will go to a QB. This isn’t fantasy football, CMC’s real life season doesn’t come to par with 2012 AP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: This isn’t fantasy football, CMC’s real life season doesn’t come to par with 2012 AP. He's putting up 2K+ All purpose and chasing LT's 31 TD's. Both won MVP those seasons. Different era! Who was the last RB to put up probably 2200 APY - 25TD's? Gurley was close but ran into Tom Brady. CMC won't win MVP because it's a QB award. CMC will get OPOY instead like Gurley before him. Is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: He's putting up 2K+ All purpose and chasing LT's 31 TD's. Both won MVP those seasons. Different era! Who was the last RB to put up probably 2200 APY - 25TD's? Gurley was close but ran into Tom Brady. CMC won't win MVP because it's a QB award. CMC will get OPOY instead like Gurley before him. Is what it is. Pretty easy to put up 2k all purpose yards when you have coach named Shanahan scheming up running concepts, facing defenses that are forced to defend against the deadliest deep game in the league, an MVP caliber QB and a good run blocking O-line with a hall of fame LT. Swap in any top 15 RB and the 49ers are still 11-3. We saw Elijah Mitchell do basically the same thing. see what I did there? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: He's putting up 2K+ All purpose and chasing LT's 31 TD's. Both won MVP those seasons. Different era! Who was the last RB to put up probably 2200 APY - 25TD's? Gurley was close but ran into Tom Brady. CMC won't win MVP because it's a QB award. CMC will get OPOY instead like Gurley before him. Is what it is. That seems very unlikely to be to be honest, he'd need 11 TDs in these last three games to tie LT, and has only hit >3 twice all year(both against ARI, 4 in Week 4 and 3 last week) Edited December 21, 2023 by jonnguy2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: He's putting up 2K+ All purpose and chasing LT's 31 TD's. Both won MVP those seasons. Different era! Who was the last RB to put up probably 2200 APY - 25TD's? Gurley was close but ran into Tom Brady. CMC won't win MVP because it's a QB award. CMC will get OPOY instead like Gurley before him. Is what it is. Not a QB award, I’d vote Purdy over CMC. 2012 AP wins the MVP this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Soggust said: Pretty easy to put up 2k all purpose yards when you have coach named Shanahan scheming up running concepts, facing defenses that are forced to defend against the deadliest deep game in the league, an MVP caliber QB and a good run blocking O-line with a hall of fame LT. Swap in any top 15 RB and the 49ers are still 11-3. We saw Elijah Mitchell do basically the same thing. see what I did there? This is actually all true though lol the only difference is we know CMC is elite without Shanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: He's putting up 2K+ All purpose and chasing LT's 31 TD's. Both won MVP those seasons. Different era! Who was the last RB to put up probably 2200 APY - 25TD's? Gurley was close but ran into Tom Brady. CMC won't win MVP because it's a QB award. CMC will get OPOY instead like Gurley before him. Is what it is. CMC's 17-game pace - 2187 scrimmage yards. 24 rushing and receiving touchdowns. Here's the All-Purpose Yards leaders. AP Yards - Rushing, Receiving and Kick, Punt, Interception, and Fumble Return Yardage Edited December 21, 2023 by typecast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 AP didn’t win just because he put up a bunch of yards. He was the driving force of that playoff run, it certainly wasn’t because of Christian Ponder. CMC, fair or not, can’t say the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: This is actually all true though lol the only difference is we know CMC is elite without Shanny. And the Panthers were losers even with CMC putting up 1K rushing and receiving. Poor dude Edited December 22, 2023 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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