Who do you want as the Steelers new Offensive Coordinator?

[43M]

58 minutes ago, Steeler Hitman said:

I will say that I put much more stock or I thought that the process would be more extensive. Especially because some of the candidates were in the play-offs. Not a sexy pick and I wanted to believe that was the direction that they would go.

What I do like about Arthur Smith:

1. Former HC that will command some respect on the offensive side of the ball.  I felt that they were devoid of some true leadership on that side. Actually more from a players standpoint, but the next best thing is another leader on that side of the ball. I have been saying that Coach Tomlin needed that.

2. He may be able to bring Munchak back. The fact that Munchak believes in his offense so much is encouraging to get him back in the Burg coaching.  I have been wanting Munch back for a few years.  His style, his presence, leadership and respect is needed on that side of the ball.

3. This kind of forces the team to play to its offensive strengths: ground and pound run game with Najee and Jalen, use of the TE position, play action pass, and big play WR with Pickens.  

4. The style of game he brings would greatly benefit Pickett or Mason. I still think Pickett is the man and he will help get his confidence back by being efficient and protected in the pocket.

While, I am not doing cartwheels over the process (I wish they talked to other candidates) and it was not a sexy hire, it may be a good marriage. 

We may have gotten a very good wife as opposed to just a pretty looking girlfriend.

PS: I couldn't mess up this pretty face with Arthur's pornstache'😁😂

If he brings Munch back, I will gladly go sit with Baby in the corner and keep my mouth shut.

I dont HATE this hire....it just feels like another "status quo" move from a team that desperately needs to break free of that.

If we bring in another QB....I may get SLIGHTLY more excited....but I don't believe he is anything close to the QB guru he is made out to be just because Tannehill resurrected his career under him.   I do not believe he can work his magic with our current QBs, and I dont believe he brings any fresh offensive concepts to the table.   That was one of Falcons fans biggest issues with him.

But hey....again, Id love to be proven dead wrong.   PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, Arthur Smith....feed me that crow.

[AFF]

@Dcash4 @43M and myself have every right to have questions on the hiring of Smith…there’s legit concerns with him due to his time in ATL.

It does seem to be a “higher floor” lower ceiling type of hire.

I hope I’m wrong.

[43M]

1 minute ago, AFF said:

@Dcash4 @43M and myself have every right to have questions on the hiring of Smith…there’s legit concerns with him due to his time in ATL.

It does seem to be a “higher floor” lower ceiling type of hire.

I hope I’m wrong.

My biggest concern is how Atlanta fans talked about how he neutralized certain talent and utterly failed to use players to the best of their abilities.

Sounds oddly familiar.

[AFF]

Just now, 43M said:

My biggest concern is how Atlanta fans talked about how he neutralized certain talent and utterly failed to use players to the best of their abilities.

Sounds oddly familiar.

Bijan and Pitts especially…I wanna see how they QB coach/passing game coordinator/OL coach stuff goes down here in the next few weeks.

[warfelg]

2 minutes ago, AFF said:

there’s legit concerns with him due to his time in ATL.

There is. And I guess it depends on where you fall of what parts of his failure are HC duties and what parts are that he wasn’t good at calling an offense. I’m taking some comfort in the fact that it seems like he was highly coveted by many teams. 

[AFF]

1 minute ago, warfelg said:

There is. And I guess it depends on where you fall of what parts of his failure are HC duties and what parts are that he wasn’t good at calling an offense. I’m taking some comfort in the fact that it seems like he was highly coveted by many teams. 

Just my .02 but it seems he woulda Been better suited going to a team with a vet QB…not an unknown/young guy/bridge QB type of situation.

[warfelg]

Honestly my bigger fear is a fun based PA offense is going to make us think Kenny is better than he is and we keep/extend him. Smiths offense feels built to make a bad QB look better through bigger passing lanes and levels reads. 

[warfelg]

1 minute ago, AFF said:

Just my .02 but it seems he woulda Been better suited going to a team with a vet QB…not an unknown/young guy/bridge QB type of situation.

IMO the QB coach matters more than the OC for that. The run heavy, PA, levels passing can help any QB. The QB coach constantly helping him with movement, reads, checks can make or break that development. Mike Sullivan was a terrible QB coach for KP as only Old Eli and Old Ben were on his resume. 

Not saying your concerns are unfounded. Definitely something to watch for. I know this will seem like an extreme example, but McVays offense looked good with a developing Groff, took off with a developed Stafford. 

[AFF]

3 minutes ago, warfelg said:

Honestly my bigger fear is a fun based PA offense is going to make us think Kenny is better than he is and we keep/extend him. Smiths offense feels built to make a bad QB look better through bigger passing lanes and levels reads. 

Smiths rate of PA was considerably higher than what the Steelers ran last year.

It didn’t work for Ridder/Heinicke so I’m not sure.

[warfelg]

19 minutes ago, AFF said:

Smiths rate of PA was considerably higher than what the Steelers ran last year.

It didn’t work for Ridder/Heinicke so I’m not sure.

Was that offensive design or player issue?

[AFF]

2 minutes ago, warfelg said:

Was that offensive design or player issue?

I don’t know that’s my point. I thought it was interesting noting the drastic differences that’s all.

[bigben07MVP]

22 minutes ago, 43M said:

The fact that he's a rehashed coach is not an opinion.  The part about him never being that good IS an opinion...and I already covered why I feel that way.   And he was absolutely exposed in Atlanta...not simply as a head coach, but an offensive mind.

Dont take my word for it.    Go listen to Atlanta fans and sports media dissect how bad he was.

He had total control of that offense in ATL....FACT.

He has coached one truly "top" offense, and got hired based primarily on that one year.

But sure....WILDLY successful.

Sure thing....lets just ignore his 2014 and 2015 seasons and how high Dolphins fans were on him after those years, despite being in a Bill Lazor offense with middling offensive talent around him, and how the infamous Adam Gase absolutely ruined him and the offense his final years in Miami.

Then he comes to Tennessee with much better offensive talent and has his best year.    Not saying Arthur Smith doesn't deserve any credit, but he alone didnt make Tannehill or that offense great.   It was a combination of several things coming together.

And you want to be condescending and keep claiming I have a supposed minority opinion?   Okay... For one, I dont give a hot poo if my opinion is "minority".   Secondly, your opinion that this is a good hire is actually a "minority opinion", so what is your actual point?     

Never said it took a genius....but there were alot of Steelers fans defending those hires similar to how you're defending this one.

Yes, Smith is a better hire on paper than those two.   Better doesn't necessarily mean good, though.    

Not going to disagree with anything here.   As I said, I think its a much better hire than Canada and Fitchner, but the best I can possibly feel about it is how I felt about Todd Haley.

And who does he have to work with here?

You keep claiming he wasn't cut out to be head coach, which is true, but keep ignoring the FACT he had total control of that offense in Atlanta and did nothing with it over 3 years.   In fact, it got worse.

This is the complacency Ive spoken of.    Every just wants to "settle" for what we've become, or maybe "slightly better".

Only thing thats going to shake this organization out of this apathetic mediocrity are drastic changes.   I at least hoped we'd see that on offense....but thats certainly not what Smith represents....and based in Rooney's comments and Tomlin's history, Im expecting the exact same tire spinning for the foreseeable future.

I already explained this.   I wanted someone that didn't feel like a typical Steelers hire.    This did.   They always go after the same types...either guys with low stock that have had some success (however minimal)....or guys that have some connection to the team.

Do I have an exact person in mind?   No....but Arthur Smith sure wasnt it.

I already said I COULD BE and actually HOPE Im wrong about him.   If I am, feel free to come back and feed me my crow.

Until then, if that's not good enough...well, there isn't a unit of measurement small enough to describe how little I care.

First off, I’m sorry that you feel that me saying your opinion of Ryan Tannenhill being good in Miami is a minority opinion is being condescending…It is what it is. No one thought anything of Tannenhill when he left Miami. The Titans got him for a 5th round pick and signed him to a one year deal. The Dolphins decided to move forward with….Ryan Fitzpatrick over him. Whether it’s a “minority” opinion or not isn’t relevant. You said your take was based on facts and then proceeded to state a bunch of your opinions, that’s what I was pointing out. 

And if you read back my post again I think you’ll see I am not defending this as a “good” hire, I think I’m actually in the majority here. I’m on the fence about it. I could see it going well or I could see it failing. I acknowledge Atlanta’s offenses were extremely frustrating and pretty poor, but I’m also willing to acknowledge the offenses in Tennessee were extremely efficient and impressive and that taking away HC responsibilities from a guy who clearly isn’t built for it should help a good amount.

I am just pushing back that this is a “Steelers hire” and I explained why. Smith doesn’t have personal ties to Tomlin, he has legit experience, and he wasn’t promoted from within. You’re right, this is more similar to Todd Haley than the Fichtner and Canada hires, which is a GOOD thing. Haley ran some pretty damn good offenses here and extended Ben’s career (yes, I know he had a ton to work with personnel wise). 

Let’s just see how the rest of the offseason and Smith’s first season shakes out before acting like the sky is falling. 

 

 

[warfelg]

2 minutes ago, AFF said:

I don’t know that’s my point. I thought it was interesting noting the drastic differences that’s all.

Yea, and I meant that question more rhetorical so my apologies.  I know I’m not super confident in Kenny at this point, and Ridder was even worse IMO.  I think the construction of the offense can really do a lot to develop a QB, but we saw it with the corpse of Matt Ryan, Marcrap Marimocrap, Desmond Ridder and Taylor Heinekie.  When we last saw it with possible QB play it worked.

Basically, I see and understand the concerns, but I think Smith is taking too much of the heat for bad QB play.

[warfelg]

3 minutes ago, bigben07MVP said:

I am just pushing back that this is a “Steelers hire” and I explained why. Smith doesn’t have personal ties to Tomlin, he has legit experience, and he wasn’t promoted from within.

I’d go a step further - we’ve been there done that with promoting position coaches.

I would say the same ole same ole is promoting a position coach from within.  Since 2004, all but 1 (now two) OC’s have been internal positional coach promotions.

[warfelg]

Depending how much you trust Dulac, he’s claiming Mike Sullivan will be back as QB coach unless he’s an OC somewhere else.