Senior Bowl Thread

[nagahide13]

5 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

The guy that I think will be hurt by the Senior Bowl is Xavier Legette. 

He has had a lot of round 1 buzz but his measurables really are leaving something to be desired - small hands (8 7/8), average arms (31 7/8) and he's not super tall (6'1). PFF had him listed as 6'3, so that does change things a bit for him.

He only had 2 drops on 97 targets (2.1%) so maybe the hands aren't going to be a big issue for him. However, they are questions he'll have to answer in the process. 

I didn't know his hands were so small. Dang.

He's a really big bodied WR that is great at high pointing and making contested catches. Some people seem to think he's going to run a 4.3 because of his top end speed, but I don't think he has enough get-off. Probably more like a 4.47... I don't think he runs very good routes or gets good separation. He seems to push off a good amount.

His size will play for sure but I don't know if he'll get open in the NFL... He'll need someone like Stafford that will throw the ball into coverage or he might not get a shot. Like a short thick Kenny Golladay.

For my money, gimme Keon Coleman. If he goes outside the top 20 I think it'll be an absolute steal. He doesn't have Legette's top speed but does everything else equal or way better. Decent routes, great hands, great yac, give him the ball anywhere on the field, etc.

I don't watch enough to know if these kids block well etc.

Edited February 1 by nagahide13

[diehardlionfan]

On 1/30/2024 at 6:51 PM, detfan782004 said:

Defense cost them SB trip really though. More so the scheme but talent is not great 

I agree but they can’t disregard the oline. They need to keep it as a strength while improving the D

[LionArkie]

7 hours ago, diehardlionfan said:

I agree but they can’t disregard the oline. They need to keep it as a strength while improving the D

Absolutely agree. This team wins and loses through the OL. We don't need to be high end or elite on D (although it would be nice). But we need a high end to elite OL for the run and Goff.

I'd actually be more than ok by taking IOL with our first round. In that range, you generally get one of, if not the best iol in the draft. I'd rather have that then the 5th ranked DL player.

[Karnage84]

11 hours ago, nagahide13 said:

I didn't know his hands were so small. Dang.

He's a really big bodied WR that is great at high pointing and making contested catches. Some people seem to think he's going to run a 4.3 because of his top end speed, but I don't think he has enough get-off. Probably more like a 4.47... I don't think he runs very good routes or gets good separation. He seems to push off a good amount.

His size will play for sure but I don't know if he'll get open in the NFL... He'll need someone like Stafford that will throw the ball into coverage or he might not get a shot. Like a short thick Kenny Golladay.

For my money, gimme Keon Coleman. If he goes outside the top 20 I think it'll be an absolute steal. He doesn't have Legette's top speed but does everything else equal or way better. Decent routes, great hands, great yac, give him the ball anywhere on the field, etc.

I don't watch enough to know if these kids block well etc.

• Coleman - 67.9 Run Block
• Nabers - 64.3
• Harrison - 63.7
• Legette - 42.0 Run Block

[Sllim Pickens]

18 hours ago, Just Want A Title said:

I was surprised to see that T'Vondre Sweat weighed in at 335.  It looked like he was at 350-360 Lbs during his last season.  There were some questions about his work-ethic and ability to keep his weight under control prior to the Senior Bowl.  If he show he can keep his weight under control and keep his conditioning up, he might be a surprise riser in the draft.

He is definitely someone I would like to add to our D and that will likely have to be in the first.  I have seen him moving up boards for a while now and his athleticism at his size along with his production reminds me of Jordan Davis.  Also I like that our new DL coach is working with him at the Senior Bowl and Sweat said he has helped him a ton in just a couple days.  Nice to now have first hand knowledge of how he works/practices/absorbs coaching with adding Williams to the staff. 

[Just Want A Title]

3 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

He is definitely someone I would like to add to our D and that will likely have to be in the first.  I have seen him moving up boards for a while now and his athleticism at his size along with his production reminds me of Jordan Davis.  Also I like that our new DL coach is working with him at the Senior Bowl and Sweat said he has helped him a ton in just a couple days.  Nice to now have first hand knowledge of how he works/practices/absorbs coaching with adding Williams to the staff. 

The biggest thing with Sweat that has been observed is that he does wear down.  His conditioning is something that has to be a real focus considering how much being out-of-shape reportedly affected Jordan Davis.  Personally, I am hoping we get the chance to draft Darius Robinson.  

[Just Want A Title]

Rasheen Ali was have a pretty good week at the Senior Bowl.  Rupturing his bicep tendon really sucks.  I suppose the only upshot is that he should be ready in-time for training camp.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/marshall-rb-rasheen-ali-out-of-senior-bowl-with-ruptured-biceps-tendon

[Just Want A Title]

In the category of NFL Draft self-sabatoge we have LB Edgerrin Cooper.  Check this out:

One all-star prospect who could be in Mobile is Texas A&M linebacker Edgerrin Cooper. Cooper accepted an invitation to the East-West Shrine, but pulled out of practicing at the last minute. When teams interviewed him and asked why he opted out late instead of practicing, Cooper snarkily responded by asking NFL scouts if they had watched his tape. That answer and attitude was the worst possible thing that Cooper could have offered. Sources say they really liked Cooper’s tape and 2023 performance, but now they are wondering about adding his personality to their team. Cooper needs a big reversal in the team interviews at the combine and other pre-draft interactions. Beyond also playing a position that gets devalued in NFL drafts, Cooper did some damage to his draft stock with teams.

Yikes!

https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-senior-bowl-rumors-thursday.php

[Karnage84]

11 minutes ago, Just Want A Title said:

In the category of NFL Draft self-sabatoge we have LB Edgerrin Cooper.  Check this out:

One all-star prospect who could be in Mobile is Texas A&M linebacker Edgerrin Cooper. Cooper accepted an invitation to the East-West Shrine, but pulled out of practicing at the last minute. When teams interviewed him and asked why he opted out late instead of practicing, Cooper snarkily responded by asking NFL scouts if they had watched his tape. That answer and attitude was the worst possible thing that Cooper could have offered. Sources say they really liked Cooper’s tape and 2023 performance, but now they are wondering about adding his personality to their team. Cooper needs a big reversal in the team interviews at the combine and other pre-draft interactions. Beyond also playing a position that gets devalued in NFL drafts, Cooper did some damage to his draft stock with teams.

Yikes!

https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press-2024-senior-bowl-rumors-thursday.php

This just screams "don't you know who I am" when some hot shot gets pulled over for a suspected DUI. 

Not a good look. 

[Just Want A Title]

I saw this write-up from Daniel Jeremiah on the Senior Bowl Winners.  Quinyon Mitchell seems to have played himself ahead of the Lions #29.  Darius Robinson should be in play for the Lions at #29 if he is available.  Tyler Guyton has some concerns from his time at Oklahoma regarding consistency and work ethic but he has a lot of potential.  You don't see a lot players with his physical tools come along very often.  It will be interesting to see how the combine affects these players.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-senior-bowl-daniel-jeremiah-s-top-10-nfl-draft-winners-from-week-of-practice

[diehardlionfan]

13 hours ago, Just Want A Title said:

I saw this write-up from Daniel Jeremiah on the Senior Bowl Winners.  Quinyon Mitchell seems to have played himself ahead of the Lions #29.  Darius Robinson should be in play for the Lions at #29 if he is available.  Tyler Guyton has some concerns from his time at Oklahoma regarding consistency and work ethic but he has a lot of potential.  You don't see a lot players with his physical tools come along very often.  It will be interesting to see how the combine affects these players.

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-senior-bowl-daniel-jeremiah-s-top-10-nfl-draft-winners-from-week-of-practice

Guytons concerns aren’t out of line for a one year starter. He will be long gone by the Lions pick.

Edited February 2 by diehardlionfan

[Karnage84]

On 1/31/2024 at 9:55 PM, nagahide13 said:

I didn't know his hands were so small. Dang.

He's a really big bodied WR that is great at high pointing and making contested catches. Some people seem to think he's going to run a 4.3 because of his top end speed, but I don't think he has enough get-off. Probably more like a 4.47... I don't think he runs very good routes or gets good separation. He seems to push off a good amount.

His size will play for sure but I don't know if he'll get open in the NFL... He'll need someone like Stafford that will throw the ball into coverage or he might not get a shot. Like a short thick Kenny Golladay.

For my money, gimme Keon Coleman. If he goes outside the top 20 I think it'll be an absolute steal. He doesn't have Legette's top speed but does everything else equal or way better. Decent routes, great hands, great yac, give him the ball anywhere on the field, etc.

I don't watch enough to know if these kids block well etc.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-senior-bowl-weigh-in-measurement-results-for-nfl-prospects/

Player	Height	Weight	Hand	Arm	Wingspan
Javon Baker	6013	208	9 5/8	31 5/8	78
Malachi Corley	5105	215	9	30 7/8	75 4/8
Jacob Cowing	5084	165	9	29 2/8	69 2/8
Ryan Flournoy	6011	200	10	31 2/8	76 3/8
Jha'Quan Jackson	5090	190	8 7/8	30 7/8	74 5/8
Xavier Legette	6010	223	8 7/8	31 5/8	77 2/8
Luke McCaffrey	6016	202	9 4/8	29 7/8	74 5/8
Ladd McConkey	5114	187	8 5/8	30 1/8	72 6/8
Ricky Pearsall	6007	193	9 1/8	30 6/8	73 5/8
Brenden Rice	6021	212	9 3/8	32 5/8	78 3/8
Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint	6010	205	9 7/8	33 1/8	78 2/8
Ainas Smith	5092	191	8 5/8	29 2/8	70 4/8
Jamari Thrash	5116	185	8 6/8	31	75
Devontez Walker	6014	197	9	32 6/8	79 2/8
Johnny Wilson	6061	237	9 4/8	35 2/8	84 3/8
Roman Wilson	5104	186	9 1/8	30 2/8	72 2/8

[Karnage84]

Player	Height	Weight	Hand	Arm	Wingspan
Isaiah Adams	6040	316	9	33 2/8	82 2/8
Tanor Bortolini	6037	305	9 6/8	31 5/8	77 5/8
Javion Cohen	6043	319	9 3/8	33 7/8	81 1/8
Brandon Coleman	6042	316	10 5/8	34 2/8	83 4/8
Ethan Driskell	6082	312	10 3/8	35 1/8	83 1/8
Kingsley Eguakun	6032	300	9 5/8	32 6/8	81 3/8
Jeremy Flax	6052	360	9 1/8	33	81 1/8
Javon Foster	6054	309	9 3/8	35	82 3/8
Zach Frazier	6025	314	10 6/8	32 3/8	78 5/8
Taliese Fuaga	6057	332	10 2/8	33 3/8	81 4/8
Delmar Glaze	6042	323	9 3/8	34 4/8	82
Tyler Guyton	6071	328	10	34 2/8	82 3/8
Christian Hayes	6024	318	8 7/8	33 7/8	80 3/8
LaDarius Henderson	6042	309	10 5/8	34 7/8	85
Christian Jones	6050	318	10 3/8	34 7/8	83 7/8
Trevor Keegan	6053	308	10	32 5/8	78 7/8
Sataoa Laumea	6041	319	9 5/8	33	80 6/8
Beaux Limmer	6044	301	9 3/8	31 4/8	77 4/8
Jordan Morgan	6047	312	10 6/8	32 7/8	81 2/8
Patrick Paul	6070	333	9 3/8	36 2/8	86 6/8
Jackson Powers-Johnson	6032	334	9 5/8	31 1/8	79
Dominick Puni	6043	323	10	33 6/8	81 6/8
Andrew Raym	6036	315	9 7/8	31 7/8	78 5/8
Layden Robinson	6033	311	10 4/8	33 4/8	80 5/8
Roger Rosengarten	6054	311	9 3/8	33 1/8	80 1/8
Kingsley Suamataia	6043	329	10 3/8	34 2/8	82 4/8
Charles Turner III	6034	300	9 3/8	33 6/8	83 3/8

 

In a shocking twist, JPJ has 31 inch arms... his arm length is in line with Baltimore's Tyler Linderbaum, who is a pretty good OC overall. He was picked at #25 overall. 

As an OG, Giants' Ben Bredeson is the same and he's been an average player. It's far too simple to say "long arms = good; short arms = bad". However, some teams do have minimums at a position and he's going to be taken off of a couple of boards as a result. 

[Just Want A Title]

OG and Centers can usually get away with being a bit short-armed.  I don't know about being take off-boards but it will affect how he is evaluated.  Despite a strong Senior Bowl week, his arm-length could be a factor for him going forward.  

[Just Want A Title]

I don't know what to think about DT T'Vondre Sweat.  He had a pretty good week of practice.  He has good length and enormous hands.  However, his weight is a real problem.  I misread the Senior Bowl Roster and as it turns out he didn't actually weigh-in and  "Estimates" were 360-370 Lb range.  It like that would limit him to being a 2-down run-stuffing DT and that is a pretty limited role.  It might be useful in Red Zone Defense though.  He seems like he is going to go in Round 3 or later.