IrishHooligan00 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 9 hours ago, Tugboat said: This is a weird one to process for the Jaguars. I don't even hate the trade down, especially given the meat of this draft. Looking at the way the board falls, it would be brilliant. If they just took DeJean over Wiggins as the tiniest CB to ever cover. He's just not a fit. DeJean is a lot closer. I'm afraid Jags brass might even prefer Koolaid. But i ain't drinking that. So idk...the trade-down is counterintuitive to me, but if the board fell that way and they're set on CB...that'd be great. With an adjustment to the actual pick. Give Wiggins to someone else. I had it that JAX Was Valueing the PHI 2nd Rounder as well as the Dougie P / Howie R Connection. Personally I have DeJean Higher then Wiggins, However I think HIggins is going to be the better Outside Corner, Whereas Dejean is Going to be the Secondary play me anywhere Freak, but will be less as a bonafide Outside Corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 13 hours ago, IrishHooligan00 said: That's the issue imo, it depends what style of 3-4 they're going to go with. 1-gap 3-4 with alignment like this (with current players in alignment): Strong-side 5T: Zach Harrison/LaCale London Strong-side 1T: Grady Jarrett/Ta'Quon Graham Weak-side 3T: David Onyemata/Kentavious Street Strong Outside LB: Arnold Ebiketie/James Smith-Williams Strong Inside LB: Troy Andersen/Nate Landman Weak Inside LB: Kaden Elliss Weak Outside LB: DRAFT PICK/Lorenzo Carter In this situation, the WOLB spot is much better suited for Dallas Turner than Jared Verse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I cannot get over how awful that trade value is for the Denver/Arizona trade. #12 and Surtain for #4 and #35? Where the trade up is for a QB? #12 and Surtain just for #4 might not even be enough for Arizona. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHooligan00 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 2 hours ago, scar988 said: 1-gap 3-4 with alignment like this (with current players in alignment): Strong-side 5T: Zach Harrison/LaCale London Strong-side 1T: Grady Jarrett/Ta'Quon Graham Weak-side 3T: David Onyemata/Kentavious Street Strong Outside LB: Arnold Ebiketie/James Smith-Williams Strong Inside LB: Troy Andersen/Nate Landman Weak Inside LB: Kaden Elliss Weak Outside LB: DRAFT PICK/Lorenzo Carter In this situation, the WOLB spot is much better suited for Dallas Turner than Jared Verse. Fair Point. I think Verse has the most upside but def great take on the Turner vs Verse debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHooligan00 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 33 minutes ago, minutemancl said: I cannot get over how awful that trade value is for the Denver/Arizona trade. #12 and Surtain for #4 and #35? Where the trade up is for a QB? #12 and Surtain just for #4 might not even be enough for Arizona. Surtain alone would equal both ARZ picks in the 1st. Having to only drop 8 Spots and only give up a 2nd for a player of that caliber is insane and crazy good value for ARZ. I understand the hard on everyone has for ARZ to stay to pick MHJr, but This is a crazy deep WR class. If you can get a guaranteed stud like Surtain and still get a high quality player in the 1st is a crazy good move w/ crazy good value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 minutes ago, IrishHooligan00 said: Surtain alone would equal both ARZ picks in the 1st. Having to only drop 8 Spots and only give up a 2nd for a player of that caliber is insane and crazy good value for ARZ. I understand the hard on everyone has for ARZ to stay to pick MHJr, but This is a crazy deep WR class. If you can get a guaranteed stud like Surtain and still get a high quality player in the 1st is a crazy good move w/ crazy good value. That is not remotely true. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHooligan00 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 Just now, minutemancl said: That is not remotely true. Jalen Ramsay - 2 1sts / 1 4th Minkah Fitzpatrick - 1st / 5th / 6th Surtain is closer to Ramsay at that time then Minkah at the time they were traded. So Yes the Value is correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 2 minutes ago, IrishHooligan00 said: Jalen Ramsay - 2 1sts / 1 4th Minkah Fitzpatrick - 1st / 5th / 6th Surtain is closer to Ramsay at that time then Minkah at the time they were traded. So Yes the Value is correct. What overall # were those picks used in those trades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Fuaga to Vegas is A+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyatemydingo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) So, Jacksonville traded down to get a worse CB? Way to finagle your guy. Edited April 19 by babyatemydingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 interesting concept that the Vikes trade up with the NYG and take McCarthy, while the Giants ending up using the MINN #23 pick to take Penix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 6 hours ago, minutemancl said: I cannot get over how awful that trade value is for the Denver/Arizona trade. #12 and Surtain for #4 and #35? Where the trade up is for a QB? #12 and Surtain just for #4 might not even be enough for Arizona. i was in our DEN forum today and they were discussing these values. they feel to trade up with AZ they'd have to give up four 1st round picks, and they would count Surtain as equal to two. so yes, you are correct. #12 + Surtain + another 1st rounder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 6 hours ago, IrishHooligan00 said: Fair Point. I think Verse has the most upside but def great take on the Turner vs Verse debate. Honestly, as long as the Falcons end up with one of the three between Turner, Verse and Latu, I won't be that upset. I just think based on schematic fit, it's probably: Turner Then Latu Then Verse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 5 hours ago, scar988 said: Honestly, as long as the Falcons end up with one of the three between Turner, Verse and Latu, I won't be that upset. I just think based on schematic fit, it's probably: Turner Then Latu Then Verse How upset would you be if we pass on edge in the 1st for either nabers, odunze, mitchell, or arnold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 19 hours ago, FalconFan13 said: How upset would you be if we pass on edge in the 1st for either nabers, odunze, mitchell, or arnold. Meh, depends on who they end up selecting there. I doubt they go WR or CB in the first, but we've seen things like that happen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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