Jeremy408 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: It’s gonna come down to whether the o-line can protect the QB and open holes in the run game The passing weapons are there for any QB who can read the field If they can, the offense will put up enough points to win 10+ games People are going to be open and the quarterbacks don't suck enough to not get the ball to people that are open(has demonstrated last year by both quarterbacks). The question is really going to be are they going to be able to block and are they going to be able to stay healthy so they can be available to block. I think that's going to matter more than who's throwing the ball even. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 33 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Learning a new offense vs the defense in their 3 year in the same system with young and improving players. Understandable the o-line is having issues. Still want to see it more in pass when the line can be physical We’re also missing our best lineman and top o-line draft pick True but pads and contact benefits the defense in ref to skill positions imo. Not jamming at the line or any fear catching stuff over the middle etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 50 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: People are going to be open and the quarterbacks don't suck enough to not get the ball to people that are open(has demonstrated last year by both quarterbacks). The question is really going to be are they going to be able to block and are they going to be able to stay healthy so they can be available to block. I think that's going to matter more than who's throwing the ball even. Exactly. The offensive weapons are good enough that they should have success if the QB gets time, they should put up points Makes sense that our draft strategy was focusing on best Offensive players available and the next two was OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 36 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: True but pads and contact benefits the defense in ref to skill positions imo. Not jamming at the line or any fear catching stuff over the middle etc Everything position tomorrow will alter with time pads on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Apparently Dylan Laube is making a lot of plays in camp. Both in a ground and air. Today it was the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justwinning Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 The QB play seems to be impacted by pressure. We are missing Kolton and JPJ. Let’s pump the breaks on the doom and gloom for now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, bucksavage1 said: Exactly. The offensive weapons are good enough that they should have success if the QB gets time, they should put up points Makes sense that our draft strategy was focusing on best Offensive players available and the next two was OL Right it appears that the strategy is based on the idea that the quarterback isn't what's going to make the offense go. It's going to be that they have everything else. And what it appears, they're trying to find out is can the quarterbacks they have on the roster currently thrive in an offense like this or do they need a draft somebody next year to grow with all of these weapons around him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 3 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: Apparently Dylan Laube is making a lot of plays in camp. Both in a ground and air. Today it was the ground Returning too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 10 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: People are going to be open and the quarterbacks don't suck enough to not get the ball to people that are open(has demonstrated last year by both quarterbacks). The question is really going to be are they going to be able to block and are they going to be able to stay healthy so they can be available to block. I think that's going to matter more than who's throwing the ball even. Sure, Oline play is always important. But hitting open WRs and doing it consistently are different things. Guys don't run wide open in the NFL. They also need to protect the ball, limit turnovers and make plays when they have the shot. Being able to make plays when guys are not open is important too. Neither Minshew or AOC inspire much confidence. They can throw a great ball, followed by several bad ones in a row. AOC especially is prone to the occasional hospital ball. They are both wildly inconsistent and that's the problem. Oline can block and the skills can get open. Still need consistent QB play and the Raiders have a bottom 3 group, that's just a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: Sure, Oline play is always important. But hitting open WRs and doing it consistently are different things. Guys don't run wide open in the NFL. They also need to protect the ball, limit turnovers and make plays when they have the shot. Being able to make plays when guys are not open is important too. Neither Minshew or AOC inspire much confidence. They can throw a great ball, followed by several bad ones in a row. AOC especially is prone to the occasional hospital ball. They are both wildly inconsistent and that's the problem. Oline can block and the skills can get open. Still need consistent QB play and the Raiders have a bottom 3 group, that's just a fact. Yea sure all of that is true except for the "people run don't wide open in the nfl" point you made. They do when there's a lot of them that we have and the personnel we are about to run. And time to throw. I think the coordinator matters just as much. Don't get me wrong Edited July 30 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 6 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Yea sure all of that is true except for the "people run don't wide open in the nfl" point you made. They do when there's a lot of them that we have and the personnel we are about to run. And time to throw. I think the coordinator matters just as much. And AP hired a bottom of the barrel guy who flopped at his last job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, big_palooka said: And AP hired a bottom of the barrel guy who flopped at his last job. Now that part, I completely agree. Wasn't even his first choice smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: Now that part, I completely agree. Wasn't even his first choice smh. But Adams loves him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, raidr4life said: But Adams loves him. Which is why I drafted Adams and fantasy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Which is why I drafted Adams and fantasy lol Great addition for your league playoffs when Rodgers is throwing him the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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