turtle28 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 17 hours ago, Troublez said: ^^ me either, I am just saying.... if you like Ridgeway / Mathis / Newton, then you WOULD trade J Allen, not vice versa - to get the most bang for your buck. I would say “liking a player” is different than thinking that a player is the answer at a position if the Pro Bowl starter is gone. Edited August 27 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ARTMONK HOF Posted August 26 Author Share Posted August 26 Had some pretty good stats with Cleveland and still only 25. From the cuts so far not much in the way of good receivers, believe he would be an upgrade to our WR group 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, turtle28 said: I would say “liking a player” is different than thinking they're the answer at a position if the pro bowl starter is gone. Your asking the wrong question though if the expectation is that Peters is maximizing his returns adequately. I kind of explained the concept of asset adequacy in my last post, but in short - we are not winning anything in Allen's remaining window of excellence. If we have other serviceable DL (young at that), its better to trade Allen - than a young competent DL. Allen will yield more return and his performance (or absence) won't move the needle in our 2024 results. Edited August 26 by Troublez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troublez Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 12 minutes ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Had some pretty good stats with Cleveland and still only 25. From the cuts so far not much in the way of good receivers, believe he would be an upgrade to our WR group I would support this signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikeT14 Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 There's always 1-2 surprise cuts too, so trying to incorporate that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted August 26 Author Share Posted August 26 Good for him. He’s very talented and I hope the fresh start and Matt Lafleur will get him on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 13 hours ago, Troublez said: Your asking the wrong question though if the expectation is that Peters is maximizing his returns adequately. I kind of explained the concept of asset adequacy in my last post, but in short - we are not winning anything in Allen's remaining window of excellence. If we have other serviceable DL (young at that), its better to trade Allen - than a young competent DL. Allen will yield more return and his performance (or absence) won't move the needle in our 2024 results. I think that Jon Allen is not likely to get traded now unless he's packaged to get Aiyuk. If that doesn't happen, I don't see Peters trading Allen until he knows that Johnny Newton is healthy. With Johnny Newton not being able to even fully practice all offseason, I don't see them making a trade with Allen now. I could see Allen getting traded at the trade deadline though if Newton actually plays in Sept/Oct and flashes. Edited August 27 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Good for him. He’s very talented and I hope the fresh start and Matt Lafleur will get him on the right track. He’s an awful passer. I can't believe some were duped into thinking he should be QB1 in 2022. Edited August 27 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, MikeT14 said: There's always 1-2 surprise cuts too, so trying to incorporate that. Well hello there! Yes, Patrick has battled injuries the last 2 years and is 30 but, this is the type of WR2 that Peters & Quinn are looking for I believe. He’s 6’4, 212 pounds. He'd be a big body on the outside for blocking when we run the ball which presumably we will do a lot of this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 8 hours ago, Troublez said: Your asking the wrong question though if the expectation is that Peters is maximizing his returns adequately. I kind of explained the concept of asset adequacy in my last post, but in short - we are not winning anything in Allen's remaining window of excellence. If we have other serviceable DL (young at that), its better to trade Allen - than a young competent DL. Allen will yield more return and his performance (or absence) won't move the needle in our 2024 results. Mathis was supposed to make Allen expendable. Turns out Mathis is nothing special. Newton is now the new Mathis and is supposed to replace Allen, but he shows up with two surgically repaired feet and had a miracle recovery that now isn't looking so good. We probably we would be better off if we extended Allen and have drafted another piece with that pick. Imagine how much better this defense would be looking if we took DeJean. What are we really going to get? Another 2nd round DT? He is a premium player. Similarly, I remember this offseason people saying we should trade Terry McLaurin because Dotson will make him expendable. It isn't like we are short on cap space, Peters is hording it. Allen is 29 years old. Chris Jones is 30 and just got a brand new contract. Wilkins is 28 and just got a new contract. Buckner is 30. 29/30 isn't that old. He has several more years of high end play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 13 hours ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Had some pretty good stats with Cleveland and still only 25. From the cuts so far not much in the way of good receivers, believe he would be an upgrade to our WR group This would be a good signing. I think there's a good chance he could beat out Dyami to be #2 after DPJ has a few weeks of practice & he's also a good blocker for when we run the ball which apparently is as important to this regime as actually being a good WR. 🤷🏼♂️ Edited August 27 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 5 hours ago, turtle28 said: This would be a good signing. I think there's a good chance he could beat out Dyami to be #2 after DPJ has a few weeks of practice & he's also a good blocker for when we run the ball which apparently is as important to this regime as actually being a good WR. 🤷🏼♂️ Good thing our assistant GM came from Detroit, I think there is a good chance that DPJ ends up here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Locking this thread for today, and maybe the next couple of days. Keep all of the discussion on the 53 man prediction thread: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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